I,ve eaten in both RAAF or,s mess and army or,s mess know which i prefer RAAF wagga used to have fruit loops an all:p but that was before they brought in contract catering:mad:
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I,ve eaten in both RAAF or,s mess and army or,s mess know which i prefer RAAF wagga used to have fruit loops an all:p but that was before they brought in contract catering:mad:
let's just say there are plenty of dead male soldiers who have been killed by female soldiers in WWII, Vietnam and so on.
Women and children can kill just as well as any man given a weapon and the opportunity.
Women can and do serve in front line roles, have manned anything from artillery, motor, machine guns, anti aircraft, combat engineers, they have flown in fighters and bombers.
The argument isn't about are they capable of fighting the argument is do we want them to fight
The question is if the average soldier came across the following scene
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/54678/
Would he fire his weapon, or would he fire his weapon?
My argument against women being in the frountline is 2 fold.
Standing orders were, pre-puberty with a weapon, clip them. Female with a weapon, clip them. a group with females armed, ID your self, once ( there shock) twice ( look for reaction) third time ( judge reaction) clip them. an all mail group. 123 negotiate its there first move.
the second part. is after its all over women seen to have it a bit harder to fit back into the world. where a guy seems to do the i know that you know it was a bad day lets have a beer and talk about the rugby. women seem to chat about it have doubts about it and its seems to eat them up a bit. Maybe because there isint enough women to talk amongst themselfs but then they tend to avoid each other after. honestly i dont know just what i have seen.
my parting statement as a guy is that defense is about defending australia, thats not just a lump of dirt thats a life style or the freedom to choose a life style, a couture etc all that stuff, that includes the women of australia. its a bit confusing to be over there defending here when what you are defending is there??
To me that states that men don't deal with it very well......thats not facing up to the reality of what happened not talking about it and shutting it away is not a way to deal with things that may keep you awake at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by clean32
Of that you can be certain....Quote:
Originally Posted by Numpty's Missus
run away
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And neither is Blabbing like a girl to some uni educated pimply faced drongo who has no idea of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by dullbird
bottling it up isint an answer as you said but you have your mates and you dont need words with strangers.
Besides the demons are more about what didn't happen than what did. the US has a massive budget on rehabilitation, all the help you could ask for. but i think if you dig into it a bit more you will see that the guys who stuff up have the LMF issues, the guys who go bush just got to noisy.
i dont have the words to say it correctly but i notice no other noisy guys are posting so i will bail now.
Aussie CoutureQuote:
Originally Posted by clean32
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...009/09/776.jpg
They neither blocked it or committed suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Numpty's Missus
have you even seen any of the letters sent to the wife's of returning solders, more commonly POWs?? ad to that that every one was involved everyone had lost some one as well as many of there fathers had seen the first war etc.
there is a paper ( Australian)( Vietnam) that i saw once. that conscripts from families whose father had fought in the second war didn't stuff up. where those that returned to PC sucky chatty partners/ families or indifferent families were the ones who had the problems. nothing worse than " what are you thinking? please talk to me? bla bla bla you just cant get your head of topic.
but did you ever consider this is because they may of without realising withdrawn themselves from society?Quote:
Originally Posted by clean32
Hence why loved ones get worried and asked such questions...talking about it means you have to deal with it.....coming home and being withdrawn would not be nice for the person coming home as well as the person waiting for that person to come home I would of thought.
Just my opinion of course but that statement you have written above again only screams to me that there are men out there that do not cope with what they have done...and can not deal with what they have seen so try to block it out rather than again dealing with it.