88" Can I borrow your rear seats? (also: military LR, 110/County/SIII/Stage 1 wagon)

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Originally Posted by Hebe

This got me thinking... I want to get seats in the back anyway.

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Kris

The seats in the back of the 86"/88" S1 are almost identical to the ones in the S2/S2a military apart from the backrest and the brackets to the side of the cab. In fact the hinged base in the S1 version and the S2/S2a/S3 is the same part number.

The backrest is fixed to the top of the wheel-boxes with 4 bolts, washers, spring washers and nuts. There is also a bracket to fix to the side of the hard-top although for soft-top models (from memory) the backrest was fixed with a spacer, nuts, bolts etc through the side capping and seat backrest frame.

If you take the S1 1954-57 parts catalogue to the RTA, they can not require an engineers report because it is an original fitting.

If you want I can copy the book when I get home tonight and email/fax it to you.

Diana

Thanks Diana,

As usual you are very helpful.

I have the 4107 - Land Rover Series I 1954-1958 Parts Catalogue.pdf

And can print that page out for them. Together with my original 4291 Workshop Manual 1948-1958 I should be able to get that message through. Still, the supervisor said he wanted to check if anyone else had it registered as a 7 seater.

In addition the guy doing the actual work of inspecting and registration went back to the car to see the back. He "didn't see seats" and therefore it should stay as a 3-seater. This indicates to me they want to see actual seats there.

So, I hope to find someone who can borrow some to me for the registration. No luck so far. As a last resort I will put some pillows on the wheel arches. :)

Thanks,

Kris

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Originally Posted by FenianEel

If you're not going to use it as a 7 seater, why bother going through the grief?
Just get it registered as a 3 seater?

If you register it as a 7 seater, and don't have the rear seats in it, everytime you drive it, you can be pinged, and insurance won't cover you - even if someone else is at fault or hits you.

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By that logic every time I drive my D3 with the rear seats folded down I would be voiding my insurance :wasntme:

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by Tote

By that logic every time I drive my D3 with the rear seats folded down I would be voiding my insurance :wasntme:

Regards,
Tote

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No, completely different actually. ;)

Folded down is not 'completely removed'.
Temporary removal of seating is allowed, for modern vehicles, with removable/stowaway seating. i.e 3rd row seats, people movers etc.
For Vicroads / QT and anyone else, wheel arches aren't considered seating.
Seat belts aren't an issue in regards to seating on pre ADR seat belt vehicles.

Ah,

Well being new to Australia I guess you guys know best. Thing is... in my experience in the USA, Ireland, The Netherlands and Thailand... insurance companies never like to pay out and always take anything out of the ordinary as an excuse not to pay. So... a Series 1 with or without seat belts, with or without rear seating...

And insurance companies versus registration authorities may have different view on things as well.

But again, I am new and you guys have more experience here.

By the way, what did you mean with "ping"?

Anyway, a bit off topic. Anyone can borrow me rear seating, or tell me of their succesfull 7 seater registration? (see previous posts)

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Originally Posted by Shonky

pinged = busted = caught = :coplight:

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Pinged means, given a ticket, fined, arrested etc

Hi
It could be very hard borrowing my seats as I live 1,700klms from you;)


Mrs ho har:angel:

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Originally Posted by Hebe

....In addition the guy doing the actual work of inspecting and registration went back to the car to see the back. He "didn't see seats" and therefore it should stay as a 3-seater. This indicates to me they want to see actual seats there.

So, I hope to find someone who can borrow some to me for the registration. No luck so far. As a last resort I will put some pillows on the wheel arches. :)

Thanks,
Kris

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Kris

I would loan you a set of mine apart from the fact that the frames are in Sydney, the cushions in Nowra and the return postage would probably be as much as buying a set from a wrecker or eBay.

Diana

Addit: Well there you go - I just got home, looked at the 1954-57 parts catalogue and now realise the difference between the S1 and S2/S2a/S3 rear seats.

In the S1 the backrests are held on by a single bolt in the seatbox at each end and a single bolt in the backrest to gal capping at each end, where the S2 and later are held by two bolts in the seatbox at each end with slotted holes in the frame and the backrest has brackets.

Never the less, I still say pragmatically you can use the later ones in the S1 88" for the RWC.

Hi,

Someone from LROCV contacted me and offered to borrow the seats. Thanks, you know who you are.

I am going there tommorrow (2 Oct 2009). So if anyone knows of a 80, 86, or 88" which is or was registered as a 7 seater in Victoria (or other states) let me know the license plate or VIN. This way I can convince Vic Roads to allow mine to be a 7 seater as well.

I will let everyone know on this forum what the outcome is.

Thanks,

Kris

G'day Hebe :)

The insurance problem in respect to the seating capacity is, that in Australia when you register a vehicle you also have to pay for 3rd party insurance, (personal injury insurance cover), this is the expensive part of your rego, totally different to compresensive insurance, (vehicle/property damage) so if your vehicle is registered as 3 or ? seater and you have extra seats in the vehicle and are involved in a accident and there were injuries, then those in excess of the registered number would not be covered and you/driver could face a jailable offence :(

My series 2a military is registered as an 11 seater (minibus) here in the state of Queensland and has been since 1992 :)

Hope this is of some help and I wish you the best of luck

I have found that when dealing with most departments of main road's (RTA) that if is not on their computer, it was never built and has never existed :mad::( and none of the staff can think for themselves, also the fact that your vehicle was built before even their father's retired :D


cheers