20000 IGNORANTS calling for ban 4WDs

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Originally Posted by Grimace

some peoe (20000 according to this latest mob) are the most narrow minded, illogical, bread bakers ever!!!

I think i will pick up my little sister from school this afternoon, just to stick it to em!

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See if you can find some bigger tyres to stick on first!...:p

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Hang on chaps..... I've got an idea..........


how about we petition for the registration to be based on HP/GVM or GCM if the vehicle is designed as a towing vehicle (prime mover type setup).

Four wheel drives are bigger and must therefore have bigger more powerful engines right......

Think About it beofre you flame me

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What would Professor Peach say?


"Mmm. Your brawn, my brain.
I'm not stupid, you know.
Cooperation, isn't it?
Like that flagpole out there.

I know if there was a convex mirror
up there, 9º vertical, 9º horizontal, I could
see straight into Matron's bedroom!"

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

7. Queensland already has the illogical method of taxing registration on number of cylinders. Which has the ludicrous result of making a TD5 Defender cost more than a Puma. Changing this to a carbon emissions rate would more sensible, but putting the tax onto fuel would be even more sensible.

John

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In New Zealand, distillate is not taxed at the pump. A Road User Charge is levied on diesel engined vehicles which must be paid in advance. This is based on vehicle size and kilometres travelled. The penalty for non-payment is three times the amount owing. If not paid in advance and the vehicle is sold, the debt follows the vehicle to the new owner.

Can we ban all cars that do not have a roo bar, from leaving the CBD? :p

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Originally Posted by subasurf

Can we ban all cars that do not have a roo bar, from leaving the CBD? :p

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Hang on! I don't have a bar fitted yet.:D

We have hope! there is noting say about the 6X6 Land Rover Perentie :D

How about making it cheap enough to register and own a second vehicle that you can use the right vehicle for the purpose and not be penalised?

I am thinking that a single registration plate (and the related insurance etc to go with it) that can be transferred to the car you are currently using. This would enable the purchase of a small fuel efficient car for the city run around and the 4wd for when you need 7 seats, towing or touring. With a plate to transfer it would not be possible to use both vehicles at the same time. I am pretty sure that it would be possible to have something electronic that would pair the plate and vehicle so a fake plate could be picked up easilyl.

I have a very fuel efficient large 4wd but it still uses more fuel than something like a Honda Jazz.

But it will never happen because the government and insurance companies don't make enough money out of being sensible and their aim is to make money and retain power not to really address the issue.

TimJ.

For some people small cars are not comfortable or practical.
I cannot have a car were I have to bend over to seat or have to do an effort to get out of it because my spine.
If I cannot have a 4WD for my pleasure and comfort then my next will be a Ford f100

I have used my Mazda T3500 motor home as the only vehicle for more than 2 years and pick up my granddaughter from the school several times on a very narrow road and I never have an issue with that.

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Originally Posted by Timj

How about making it cheap enough to register and own a second vehicle that you can use the right vehicle for the purpose and not be penalised?

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They already do, but the vehicle has to be 30 years old or more and only used on Club trips!

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Originally Posted by Timj

... I am thinking that a single registration plate (and the related insurance etc to go with it) that can be transferred to the car you are currently using.

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Some countries like Germany (I believe it's Germany) allow you to have the same number on all cars you own. The tax and insurance are on the driver via your drivers licence.

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Originally Posted by Timj

...This would enable the purchase of a small fuel efficient car for the city run around and the 4wd for when you need 7 seats, towing or touring. ...
.... I have a very fuel efficient large 4wd but it still uses more fuel than something like a Honda Jazz....
...TimJ.

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Along with this hybrid cars like the Pious should be banned from outer urban and country roads because they us more fuel than similarly sized petrol fuelled cars and significantly more than the diesels.

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Originally Posted by F4Phantom

if this is true that is fine by me, I often take my diesel RR over the smaller engined FWD v6 sedan because it uses less fuel. I would have put my money on the diesel LR's as more economical but I am surprised to see things like prados and LC's as cheaper as I dont see them as cheap to own vehicles.

I dont mind discussing the negatives of 4x4 ownership in the spirit of being unbiased, in fact I have talked a few mates out of 4x4's because they were not going to tow or go off road and I could not see the point for them.

What about factors such as stopping, crash avoidance - handling, cost of brake pads, oil change volume, tyres surely a 4x4 would have to cost more than a commondoor. RR's are awd and so are fairly easy on tyres as are subies and like.

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You almost fully got what I said f4 compare apples to apples; Johnny goes out with $70-75,000 to buy a new car/ 4x4 so you compare a disco/landcruiser (with around 50-60%diesel sales) to a hsv/fpv V8 eating fuel and tyres at a much higher rate. Then you get the real world insurance claims and stat's and they will show you that a big 4x4 is invloved in fewer prangs and the occupants are more likely to get away with fewer injuries than in AN EQUALLY PRICED ALTERNATIVE!( go to nrma or another online insurance quote and price a $55k defender/prado vs a $55k ss/xr6, a $75k disco/cruiser vs a $75k hsv gts)
As i said go Diesel (or lpg on the big petrol powered wagons)and they are as economical , then go and price the low profiles on a new HSV GTS and you will end up with a set of BFG muddie's and change!

P.s in NSW we are already charged on vehicle size in rego as part of the charge is a weight based multiple.