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17th October 2009, 06:20 AM
Rosscoe68

darwin's theory of natural selection has a lot to go on, however humanity won't allow natural selection to weed out the stupid or weak.

hey, who said that ?
17th October 2009, 07:53 AM
stevo68

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Originally Posted by Rosscoe68

darwin's theory of natural selection has a lot to go on, however humanity won't allow natural selection to weed out the stupid or weak.

hey, who said that ?

Seriously.....have a real hard think about what you have written. Every day I find more and more disapointment in the human race....and comments like this one fall into that category.

As for banning trains is an inane answer to a situation as this, what next ban cars because people have accidents. The mentality in a situation like this is thank God a young child's life was saved no matter, the how, why or what. Not puns and immature rhetoric....bloody hell,

Regards

Stevo
17th October 2009, 08:30 AM
Sleepy

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Originally Posted by Disco_owner

That accident should not have happended and could have been avoided if the Mother had been standing sideways with the Pram paralel to the train tracks not at 90 Deg on the platform if she wanted to adjust her dress/trousers whatever.

No accident should happen - but unfortunately they do.
17th October 2009, 08:43 AM
Sleepy
Wow this thread has got a little too serious. As most of you gathered, my original post was actually a dig at the do-gooders who want to ban 4wds every time there is an accident involving one.

Banning trains would be an equivalent "call" were the same dropkicks to "judge" this unfortunate event.

The mother's story could be:
- That damn foot brake on the pram is faulty.
- I didn't realise there was a slope on the platform.
- I shouldn't have worn these trousers
- If I had only bought that Land Rover I wouldn't have to catch the train.
As mentioned this event will have casualties: Mother, Driver, onlookers.

Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged

(Or translated to we're all d!&kheads at some point in our life.)
17th October 2009, 09:31 AM
drivesafe
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Originally Posted by Sleepy

Wow this thread has got a little too serious. As most of you gathered, my original post was actually a dig at the do-gooders who want to ban 4wds every time there is an accident involving one.

Banning trains would be an equivalent "call" were the same dropkicks to "judge" this unfortunate event.

I see your point but they no longer have bull bars on trains so the do-gooders would have a slightly harder time trying to get them banned.
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Originally Posted by Sleepy

The mother's story could be:

That damn foot brake on the pram is faulty.
I didn't realise there was a slope on the platform.
I shouldn't have worn these trousers
If I had only bought that Land Rover I wouldn't have to catch the train.
Hit the nail on the head and if she got a Landy, the next time do-gooders tried to ban 4x4s, she could legitimately argue her kid was far safer in her Landy than it would be on public transport
17th October 2009, 09:52 AM
V8Ian

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Originally Posted by drivesafe

This had a good outcome but I agree with harry, you can't protect people from themselves and in this case it was a genuine accident.

The woman wasn’t negligent, she simply let go of the handle of the pram to adjust her clothing, the fact that the slop on the platform was that slight that she didn’t realise the pram would roll just helped to make it an accident.

Watch the video, she is already paying for the accident in the fact that I reckon she scared 10 years off her life.

The driver is the innocent party in this but would be having nightmares about now.

As for him applying the breaks and then just becoming a passenger, if only.

Unlike a car driver, where you can try to swerve to miss something or jump harder on the brake pedal, the driver, from the time he throws the brakes to full emergency, see everything from that point on in slow motion, and it ain’t a good feeling.

Like the woman, he will remember that for the rest of his life.

My comment about the driver being a passenger war not intended to be derogetory or downplay his role in the incident. The driver did all that he could, that would make it hard for him, once he had applied the brake he could do no more; as you say, every thing would be in slo-mo for him.
I have a friend who is a train driver. He unfortunately had a person commit suicide by jumping in front of his train. He got all the support/councelling he needed at the time, but a year later he had to relive the incident in the Coroner's Court, without any help.
17th October 2009, 10:12 AM
willem

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Originally Posted by harry

eh' iwasa makinadajok,
idona wanna govermint to payforada retrainin, makada people payeh'

i wasn't going to bother with this story,
but now i will.

i have a friend in melbourne whose daughter [many years ago] when she was about 18 had a similar accident, only it wasn't a pram, it was her.

i forget now what sort of train was involved, however i seem to remember it as one of the old red rattlers with the outward hinged doors.
the accident happened at cheltenham station.
as the train was either entering or leaving the station [i told you it was a long time ago] she was collected by part of the train, spun around and fell off the platform and went down between the carriages of the moving train
[the train driver was not aware of this] and when they found her, she was unconcious, and unmarked.
she had dropped below the moving train and was laid out in the space between the rail and the platform wall.
sometimes there is a god.

I remember a similar event a Kelmscott station in WA when I was a kid (MANY years ago!). A schoolgirl went to get on the train and grabbed the door handle and pulled the handle down. It was one of those old WAGR green carriages with small compartments. The door handles were levers that you pulled down. This one did and her hand slipped off and she fell between the carriage and the platform. I remember a man carrying her away - she did not seem badly hurt but I was only young and it was a long time ago.

I saw it happen just in front of me, and something like that is a bit like slo mo, even tho it happens very quickly.

Willem
17th October 2009, 10:39 AM
austastar

Hi,
we stand so close to the edge of train platforms with out a care in the world.
Yet 'over the edge' can be fatal for a few seconds every so often, especially with some of the faster trains.
There is a video of a man crossing over the rails (instead of using the pedestrian over pass) to go from one platform to the other, when a highspeed train passes through.
I suspect it is in rural France somewhere.
He was nearly a bug on a windscreen - it was so close, the train just appeared from nowhere.
Potential danger is not always apparent, and some of the railway infastructure has changed little since the days of steam.
We should all be more paranoid.
17th October 2009, 12:19 PM
drivesafe

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

My comment about the driver being a passenger war not intended to be derogetory or downplay his role in the incident.

And It wasn’t taken that way, I, as an ex-train driver, know what the driver would be going through.
18th October 2009, 04:03 PM
MickS

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Originally Posted by austastar

Hi,
we stand so close to the edge of train platforms with out a care in the world.
Yet 'over the edge' can be fatal for a few seconds every so often, especially with some of the faster trains.
There is a video of a man crossing over the rails (instead of using the pedestrian over pass) to go from one platform to the other, when a highspeed train passes through.
I suspect it is in rural France somewhere.
He was nearly a bug on a windscreen - it was so close, the train just appeared from nowhere.
Potential danger is not always apparent, and some of the railway infastructure has changed little since the days of steam.
We should all be more paranoid.

That's why they are called whispering death...:no2:

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