Tassie

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Originally Posted by Tank

Logging in Australia is a FARCE these private multinational companies set up here and are supplied their raw product by State Governments Forestry Depts. for less than it costs to actually cut down a tree, let alone the cost of debarking, cutting to length and transporting to the pulp mill.
Australian Taxpayers, you and me, are subsidising Multinational companies Billions of $ to Take our trees turn them into paper and sell it back to us, what a CON.
Here on the South Coast of NSW Harris Diashowa (nice Aussie name) pays $9.50 a tonne for LOGS delivered to it's pulp mill in Eden, many of these logs are transported hundreds of klms.
It would cost you more than $9.50 to gather a tonne of firewood from the forest, so, when you pay for paper products that you originally owned in the first place for a second or third time you can feel proud that our Governments are looking after our interests, that's why I hate logging, Regards Frank.

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That would barely cover the transport cost, depending on the distance.

It seems easy for people that don't live here to make uneducated comments.
There are 3 points here.

1. You can protest loud & long legally why do it illegally.
2. Gunns are going through due process set by both state and federal goverments. If they ran the state the Pulp mill would be built by now.
3. We export thousands of tons of raw woodchips annually; Why not value add if it is proven safe to do so and export a product further refined with economic benefits to us instead of a wood chip or worse still whole logs benefittinng some one else.

My 2 cents worth from a local with no biase either way.

PS Disco44 Peter Cundall lives in Launceston so his bail conditions to stay away from the Hobart waterfront only will not impede on him in any way.

cheers

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Originally Posted by dm_td5

Logging is an incredible environmentally damaging operation, after all it has to by nature, destroy habitat. That said, it is realistically a lot better than many other forms of agriculture if done properly because it can better create habitat.

Old growth logging is, however, just plain destructive. There is no need for this if cleared forests had been replanted in sustainable manner over the decades of Tasmania's forestry industry. Of course a lot has, but there is also a lot that hasn't been. The same applies to the rest of Australia.

Why we need a another pulp mill is beyond me, especially one that will be using old growth timber. Pulping in a general sense is not value adding, it's just the first step in processing. It's also in general the least energy efficient part of the processing. The Gunn's pulp mill does not seem to be a very sustainable project for the long term and to me that also makes it pointless. Why put short term profit for a company over long term sustainability for future generations.

As to Peter Cundel's arrest as BBlaze said, he was breaking the law and that's all there is to it. Other's also got arrested, did we hear their names mentioned, no, they were not high enough profile. Did they get their point across, possibly. Will it make any difference, doubtful.

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Thanks for that answer I quite agree.But I grew up in Qld with Joh running it.Any type of assembly was outlawed..and the joke was you could not even walk your dog. At least now we have the democratic right to have such assemblies.
Cheers John disco 44

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Originally Posted by Piddler

PS Disco44 Peter Cundall lives in Launceston so his bail conditions to stay away from the Hobart waterfront only will not impede on him in any way.

cheers

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Unless he wants a feed of oysters or some such. I wonder if it includes Lark Distillery?

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Originally Posted by bblaze

He along with others arrested broke the law, laws are laws even if you are trying to make a protest point. There would have been no media attention if he hadnt been arrested, they achieved there goal. I dont agree with clear felling forest any where but we have more locked up than any other state. Maybe if you feel so strong about Gunns and tassie forests you should look in your own statew for a start and see what you can do to assist the envoromental cause there. What may that be in your state, I dont know, lack of water, coal powered power stations, we have clean power for the most (hydro) and water is the problem it is in other states. So dont worry too much about Peter but certainly spend a bit of time worring about your own back yard
cheers
blaze

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I spent 2 months touring Tassie.Got off the beaten track and saw first hand the real logging and how your beautiful Island was being laid waste by that logging.Also last year I travelled to south western WA and saw all that timber country laid waste by who..Gunns again...so don't lecture me Ol' Son.As for protests well look at what we in Qld went through under Joh Bjelke Petersen
Nuff said.

I'm also a local from Hobart and the desire to downstream process is pie in the sky stuff.
Travelling into the city from the eastern shore ,I've seen many huge piles of logs on the warf to be shipped out whole (as a trial) but it goes on and on.
On the matter of legal protest -how do you make yourself heard.
No good of protesting in the bush with a few wallabys watching. Better try to get heard by parliament so go to the peoples house and protest.
Not much good of telling the current Government mob either ,they wont be there after the march election, but at least the new Government may take notice.
Anyone who travels a lot in Tassie should be horrified at the extent of native forest replacement with plantations.
Gunns have definately replaced the Hydro as the Government here with little men passing this and approving that as required by them. b/s i rekon.

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Originally Posted by dm_td5

That's all usually done by one machine in one very swift go now days.

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It depends on the size of the tree, many of the trees (Logs) that I see on trucks around here are around 2 metres in diameter I doubt that logs of this size could be done with one of these machines, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

That would barely cover the transport cost, depending on the distance.

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It wouldn't cover the cost of fuel, if it wasn't for Taxpayers subsidising State Forests and Jap Conglomerates the woodchip industry wouldn't exist, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by Disco44

I spent 2 months touring Tassie.Got off the beaten track and saw first hand the real logging and how your beautiful Island was being laid waste by that logging.Also last year I travelled to south western WA and saw all that timber country laid waste by who..Gunns again...so don't lecture me Ol' Son.As for protests well look at what we in Qld went through under Joh Bjelke Petersen
Nuff said.

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Still think your energy would be better spent in your own state ( so when as a visitor there is something left for me to drink and see), as noted, I am also against clear felling BUT we still have a large % of forest locked up.
People also need to look at these bloody plantations that have been planted on some of the most productive farm land in Australia- NW tassie.

cheers
blaze

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Originally Posted by bblaze

Still think your energy would be better spent in your own state ( so when as a visitor there is something left for me to drink and see), as noted, I am also against clear felling BUT we still have a large % of forest locked up.
People also need to look at these bloody plantations that have been planted on some of the most productive farm land in Australia- NW tassie.

cheers
blaze

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Queensland has abundant water reserves. The SE corner is under strain due to the large number of southerners and overseas immigrants coming to live in that part of the state and we locals are expected to pay for the infrastructure to accomodate them,when they have spent most of their working lives contributing to their home state and not a brass razoo into Queensland.
I am not a greenie,snivel libertarian or a tree hugger.Just an old bushie who loves the aussie bush and what's left of it.
cheers,
John ( disco44)
PS my grandfather was a logger.