Tell Us Your Supernatural or U.F.O Sightings

**rmp** · 1st December 2009, 03:41 PM

All of this confirms my belief that the supernatural does exist. Re vxn205; no doubt some, if not many of these have rational explanations but I don't believe all of them can be explained by being mistaken or tricked.

I haven't had anything comparable but I have had three distinct instances of deja vu -- where I knew precisely what would happen, like I'd seen an video of it, for the next 30 seconds before it happened.

Now whether you want to collect all of these supernatural forces, call them god and worship them...but that's another thread!

**dobbo** · 1st December 2009, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by rmp

I haven't had anything comparable but I have had three distinct instances of deja vu -- where I knew precisely what would happen, like I'd seen an video of it, for the next 30 seconds before it happened.

That happens to me regularly would you really call that supernatural?

**VladTepes** · 1st December 2009, 06:32 PM

Robert that's called TiVo !!!

**Disco44** · 1st December 2009, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by vnx205

There are simple, logical explanations for most of the accounts I have read here. Several of them are good illustrations of the way the human mind works and have nothing to do with the supernatural.

Now where did I leave that flame proof suit?

Bulldust my friend in the ears , throat and the brain.Check out" Chariot of the Gods" Made in the early 70's by Eric Von Donnican.They were not game to teach us what he discusses and proves in that film.Even if you dislike the film the music is great.
Cheers
John ( disco 44 )

**StephenF10** · 2nd December 2009, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Disco44

Bulldust my friend in the ears , throat and the brain.Check out" Chariot of the Gods" Made in the early 70's by Eric Von Donnican.They were not game to teach us what he discusses and proves in that film.Even if you dislike the film the music is great.
Cheers
John ( disco 44 )

They were not game to teach it because it was crap. Von Daniken's "research" was discredited years ago. He saw "evidence" of aliens everywhere. Most of it is laughable.

Stephen.

**vnx205** · 2nd December 2009, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Disco44

Bulldust my friend in the ears , throat and the brain.Check out" Chariot of the Gods" Made in the early 70's by Eric Von Donnican.They were not game to teach us what he discusses and proves in that film.Even if you dislike the film the music is great.
Cheers
John ( disco 44 )

The only thing Erich Von Daniken proved, is how gullible some people are. I was unaware that there were people around who still believed his ridiculous ideas.

If you are willing to read a very detailed debunking of the fanciful notions he espoused in "Chariots of the Gods?", have a look at Ronald Story's 1976 book, "The Space Gods Revealed".

Alternatively, you might consider these comments from reputable sources:
Most scientists and historians have rejected his ideas, claiming that the book's conclusions were based on faulty,pseudoscientific evidence, some of which was later demonstrated to be fraudulent and/or fabricated, and under illogical premises. For example, Ronald Story wrote a book rebutting Däniken's ideas in 1976 titled "The Space Gods Revealed" A similar internationally bestselling book, entitled "Crash go the Chariots" by Clifford Wilson, Ph.D., appeared in 1972.
From Chariots of the Gods? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or this comment on the validity of some of his evidence:
Where is the proof for von Däniken's claims? Some of it was fraudulent. For example, he produced photographs of pottery that he claimed had been found in an archaeological dig. The pottery depicts flying saucers and was said to have been dated from Biblical times. However, investigators from Nova (the fine public-television science program) found the potter who had made the allegedly ancient pots. They confronted von Däniken with evidence of his fraud. His reply was that his deception was justified because some people would only believe if they saw proof ("The Case of the Ancient Astronauts," first aired 3/8/78, done in conjunction with BBC's Horizon and Peter Spry-Leverton)!
From ancient astronauts - von Daniken - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

A further example of his technique of presenting pseudoscience as fact is his claim about the dimensions of Cheops' pyramid. He asks, "is it coincidence that the area of the base of the pyramid divided by twice its height gives the celebrated figure Pi = 3.14159?" (p. 77)
Such a claim is a nonsense. PI is a dimensionless constant. The area and the height of the pyramid are not dimensionless. Choose your units carefully, as Von Daniken did, and you can produce any number you like. If you measure in inches, feet, yards, metres or cubits, you get five different ratios.
That is typical of Von Daniken's technique of baffling with bulldust.

He also pulls the wool over some people's eyes with his frequent use of the "false dilemma" line of argument, saying such things as, "Either this data is to be explained by assuming these primitive idiots did this themselves or we must accept the more plausible notion that they got help from extremely advanced peoples who must have come from other planets where such technologies as anti-gravity devices had been invented."

The man is a charlatan, his evidence is frequently fraudulent, his arguments are specious. I am relieved to hear that you apparently went to a school that had the good sense to ignore his discredited nonsense.

Edit: StephenF10 has put it much more succinctly, "It was crap".

**Disco44** · 2nd December 2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by vnx205

The only thing Erich Von Daniken proved, is how gullible some people are. I was unaware that there were people around who still believed his ridiculous ideas.

If you are willing to read a very detailed debunking of the fanciful notions he espoused in "Chariots of the Gods?", have a look at Ronald Story's 1976 book, "The Space Gods Revealed".

Alternatively, you might consider these comments from reputable sources:
Most scientists and historians have rejected his ideas, claiming that the book's conclusions were based on faulty,pseudoscientific evidence, some of which was later demonstrated to be fraudulent and/or fabricated, and under illogical premises. For example, Ronald Story wrote a book rebutting Däniken's ideas in 1976 titled "The Space Gods Revealed" A similar internationally bestselling book, entitled "Crash go the Chariots" by Clifford Wilson, Ph.D., appeared in 1972.
From Chariots of the Gods? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or this comment on the validity of some of his evidence:
Where is the proof for von Däniken's claims? Some of it was fraudulent. For example, he produced photographs of pottery that he claimed had been found in an archaeological dig. The pottery depicts flying saucers and was said to have been dated from Biblical times. However, investigators from Nova (the fine public-television science program) found the potter who had made the allegedly ancient pots. They confronted von Däniken with evidence of his fraud. His reply was that his deception was justified because some people would only believe if they saw proof ("The Case of the Ancient Astronauts," first aired 3/8/78, done in conjunction with BBC's Horizon and Peter Spry-Leverton)!
From ancient astronauts - von Daniken - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

A further example of his technique of presenting pseudoscience as fact is his claim about the dimensions of Cheops' pyramid. He asks, "is it coincidence that the area of the base of the pyramid divided by twice its height gives the celebrated figure Pi = 3.14159?" (p. 77)
Such a claim is a nonsense. PI is a dimensionless constant. The area and the height of the pyramid are not dimensionless. Choose your units carefully, as Von Daniken did, and you can produce any number you like. If you measure in inches, feet, yards, metres or cubits, you get four different ratios.
That is typical of Von Daniken's technique of baffling with bulldust.

He also pulls the wool over some people's eyes with his frequent use of the "false dilemma" line of argument, saying such things as, "Either this data is to be explained by assuming these primitive idiots did this themselves or we must accept the more plausible notion that they got help from extremely advanced peoples who must have come from other planets where such technologies as anti-gravity devices had been invented."

The man is a charlatan, his evidence is frequently fraudulent, his arguments are specious. I am relieved to hear that you apparently went to a school that had the good sense to ignore his discredited nonsense.

Edit: StephenF10 has put it much more succinctly, "It was crap".

I bow to superior intellect, still like the music but.
Cheers,
Disco 44

**vnx205** · 2nd December 2009, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Disco44

... ... ., still like the music but.
Cheers,
Disco 44

I prefer the music in "Chariots of Fire" to the music in "Chariots of the Gods?"

**td express** · 2nd December 2009, 10:53 AM

There was also alot of acid around in the early seventies.....might explain some things

**stevo68** · 2nd December 2009, 11:22 AM

In terms of "spooky" happenings......happened when I was a youngster. We lived on acreage in Dural, was down a long driveway and things just seemed amiss. Sometimes my sister and I would come home and before we knocked on the door....you could hear voices inside. Automatically one assumed Mum was home................she wasn't. Other times things would go missing......and the cleaner was under suspicion....she moved on....still happened.

Now one night.....and I can't remember the reasons as to why the rest of the family were out....but it was just myself and Dad at home. Now the house had slate floors.....so shoes made a resonating sound if walked on. Anyway just as I was nodding off....I could hear foot steps in the hallway. Thought nothing of it....must be Dad...........then I hear Dad yell out from his room.."Stephen what are you doing up?"

I bolt upright in bed and yell back..."I'm not up Dad" meanwhile while jumping out of bed and grabbing not only my .22 but .404 shotty as well. Dad started flicking on lights from his end of the house and ditto from my end. We walked all through the house....nothing....nada....zippy de doo da.

Again...we never really spoke about it....wasn't till we left and years later that my mother recounted the story of my younger brother ( who is now a Pastor). At the end of the hallway in now Mum's bedroom ( as the olds had split) was a full length mirror. My brother was standing just outside the batthroom down the hall and started yelling to mum " Theres a man in your room....theres a man in your room"...she came out of her ensuite and said no there isn't. He said that as whatever crossed in front of the mirror...it showed up. We already had a form of heebie jeebies...so the story wasn't told at the time.

My brother......at around the same age gave me a St Christopher medal to keep me safe. I was 21 at the time and he was 13. I was like "yeah....whatever" and put it in the glove box of my trusty commodore. Long story short.....I flipped and rolled the car end over end and sideways 3 times. We ended up against a gum tree. Next roll would have been onto roof...off a 6 ft drop into old nursery with the garden stakes still in place. If it had gone over...we would have most likely died.

Now in that car...I had copious amounts of coke bottles...sunnies....videos and a boot full of empties. Everything in that car was strewn for a good 50-100 metres. Everything in that car was out of the car....the forces actually popped off my watch. Wasn't till the next day when we came back to look at the damage during the day ( car was a total write off).....I found the St Christopher in my seat. Everything and I mean everything from the glove box...under the seats....on seats was out of the car.......except that!! Still gives me the willies but a good feeling willies...man that doesn't sound right. Oh and here was the car:

Regards

Stevo

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