Twin 540HP, it is enough for you?

It was lucky the sea shepard camera crew was just in the right place:angel:, from the front all things look stationary untill they get very close:)As for numbers of japs that eat whale very few aussies eat roo or croc but we dont ban it I dont eat whale but some japanese do, dont know about the research part but we use dogs, cats and monkeys for research. I think provided they are not hunting endangered animals then let them go. As for harpoons we use bolt guns and electrocution whats better? Its legal to hunt with bows is there much difference? Wouldnt want us (all aussies) to be hipocrates now would we if we say no killing animals we like or no research them that applies to us as well.

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Originally Posted by Gillie

Whatever the cause of the accident it has certainly bought alot of attention to their cause. They will probably get more than $2mill in new donations with the renewed interest in thier plight.

Good on em.

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They seem to do quite well on that front already - lots of generous benefactors giving them boats.

Bob Barker (US TV personality) just bought them a boat.

Not sure who the Ady Gil is named after?

They are also not without blame themself. Their main vessel before the Steve Irwin, was confiscated by canadian authorities. It apparently was responsible for sinking 10 vessels:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

Not sure who the Ady Gil is named after?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...SC_0564_sm.jpg

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The short answer is Ady Gil Himself

The Ady Gil is named for a Californian millionaire whose donation enabled the ship to be purchased by the Sea Shepherds. As Gil told The Age, ''It is worth every penny to me even if one beautiful, amazing whale is saved.”

Did he get his moneys worth? Hmmm I reckon he did with the publicity the boat has bought them.

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Originally Posted by dobbo

How about this

it needed repairs, and then it was used as a sacrificial lamb for the greater cause

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agree with this,

lucky the other pirate boat arrived on the scene to film the events.....:angel:

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The short answer is Ady Gil Himself

The Ady Gil is named for a Californian millionaire whose donation enabled the ship to be purchased by the Sea Shepherds. As Gil told The Age, ''It is worth every penny to me even if one beautiful, amazing whale is saved.”

Did he get his moneys worth? Hmmm I reckon he did with the publicity the boat has bought them.

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Thanks - tracked him down:
American Hi Definition | Welcome

It seems he is well known as an environmentalist and philanthropist.

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

To me the biggest difference is that whales are very intelligent. It is the same as eating dolphin or chimpanzee as far as I am concerned.

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Using that logic you could also argue that pigs are also intelligent and we shouldn't kill them either.

Looking at the footage from all angles, I make the following observations:

• This was definately a Mexican standoff where they both zigged when they should have zagged.
• I agree with 350RRC's interpretation of the AGs acceleration but, without looking from directly overhead, it appears that the AG was positioning itself for a blocking maneuver with the 'no power defence', the SM2 anticipated passing astern of the AG.
• Didn't happen, so both carry out evasive action and do a (apologies to Tombie2) Skippy and evade directly into each other.
• Having a Doco crew along to film 'Whale wars' is a red rag to Paul and crew.
• The SM2 would have won the PR war if they had immediatly ceased the water cannoning and rendered some form of assistance. They didn't, and that is the last thing most people will see.

For the record, I almost joined Sea Shepherd a few years ago as direct action is justified in many environmental issues. Sea Shepherd can go too far at times, though. I support 'traditional hunting', but only if done in a traditional manner, ie: rowed boats and hand harpoons. Yes I do object to turtles and dugong being hunted in Aus waters from 90 horse tinnies!
Dave

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Using that logic you could also argue that pigs are also intelligent and we shouldn't kill them either.

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Possibly, though pigs are generally considered to be significantly less intelligent than cetaceans (as well as below elephants and chimps) - slighly above dog intelligence (and we all know that dogs are widely used for food in asia).

Pigs have also been farmed for thousands of years, and are a pest in AU.

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Originally Posted by waz

I'm no expert, but this looks pretty damning to me.

YouTube- Ady Gil Being Rammed, View From Bob Barker

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Obviously without being there it's very hard to know what exactly happened, but from my piont of view, with experience of piloting boats, I think the captain of the Ady Gil had no option but to remain stationary, or go forward.
He probably didn't believe the SM2 would actually keep turning into him.
Boat propellors are absolutely useless in reverse, and a boat with rudder steering has almost no steering in reverse.
So he probably thought (too late) that he could use the boat's power to turn to the starboard (right) and power across the bow of the SM2, but alas it was too late.
The prop wash visible thrughout the whole episode would be the AG's captain retaining a bit of control with slow throttle so he has water moving over the rudders.

Let's see what happens...........

Fraser

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Originally Posted by fraser130

Obviously without being there it's very hard to know what exactly happened, but from my piont of view, with experience of piloting boats, I think the captain of the Ady Gil had no option but to remain stationary, or go forward.

Fraser

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He's not stationary at any time in the first vid, have a look.

cheers, DL