Twin 540HP, it is enough for you?

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Originally Posted by 350RRC

He's not stationary at any time in the first vid, have a look.

cheers, DL

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No, but relatively stationary (compared to the SM2), engines just idling in gear to provide some control of the boat.

He just left it too late to get out of the way (as I mentioned, he was probably didn't think he would actually get rammed.

There is no way in my mind that the AG was the main instigator of the collision, look at the speed that the SM2 steers towards it while it is hardly moving.

If the AG's captain had tried to reverse in those seas, the props would have just cavitated, and he would have gotten nowhere anyway.



At least nobody was killed.

Cheers,
Fraser

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Originally Posted by fraser130

There is no way in my mind that the AG was the main instigator of the collision, look at the speed that the SM2 steers towards it while it is hardly moving.

At least nobody was killed.

Cheers,
Fraser

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That's my point............... it is extremely irresponsible to put lives at risk at sea like they were.

cheers, DL

The AG was the main instigator becasue it was there in the first place. The boat was bought for and went out with the express and admitted purpose to harrass at extremely close quarters the Japanese whaling fleet.

They got what was coming to them and they're probably not sincerely upset. So that's the end of that matter.

I don't like whaling one little bit, I don't even like Japan as a rule :eek:. My personal view is that whaling should be banned. But I am not a traditionalist Japanese person so I would say that. We've managed to stamp out the wholesale slaughter so let's be pleased about that.

Let's see this Sea Shepherd movement for what it is, middle class white westerners throwing their power and wealth around and making the little foreigners tow the line. We don't want you to eat whales, so stop. They probably would have by now if we hadn't tried to make them.

I believe that inspite of my repugnance for their actions, the Japanese whalers are doing me a favour because the minute those Sea Shepherd people stop whaling, they start on live exports and they start doing material damage to my way of life, it's no longer some bogey old Japanese whale eater they're coming for, it's me. And then after they crush the livestock industry they are going to stop me from eating meat altogether....and so it goes, that's who they are and that's what they do.

So the fact that I agree with them this time is totally irrelevant, I saw the whaler run them down and I cheered.

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Originally Posted by 350RRC

He's not stationary at any time in the first vid, have a look.

cheers, DL

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The first vid has no fixed frame of reference (shot from a fast moving boat that is also changing direction), so it is impossible to determine that for sure.

The second vid is shot from a fixed frame of reference, and therefore likely to be more reliable.

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Originally Posted by fraser130

No, but relatively stationary (compared to the SM2),

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Relatively stationary??? :eek:

Either stationary or moving, can't be both. :angel:

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Originally Posted by BigJon

Relatively stationary??? :eek:

Either stationary or moving, can't be both. :angel:

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Like the universe? Show me anything completely stationary in this universe.

Susan Boyle's sex life does not count as it does not exist

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Originally Posted by dobbo

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Susan Boyle's sex life does not count as it does not exist

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Dobbo - I think you need to become a comedian...

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Originally Posted by BigJon

Relatively stationary??? :eek:

Either stationary or moving, can't be both. :angel:

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You reckon? :DWell if we can organise a drag race between my Tdi and your Rangie I reckon you might change your mind.

the way I see it is LARGE vessels do not turn on a sixpence so for the AG to be hit they had positioned themselves in a position to close that they couldn't do anything about it, that or they thought they were being clever and playing chicken which would not surprise me with there stupid idiotic stunts.....

I'm all for saving the whales but not the way they go about it......do first! think second!!!

The reasons for people finding themselves in an area where an accident occurs is not going to have any bearing on the interpretation of who should have given way or otherwise. The whole Sea Shepherd v whalers is a game of chicken and PR, the truth will be shaped to suit.

I don't have a skippers ticket so cannot claim years of experience but the physics is pretty simple, when a vessel turns sharply the whole structure leans over and there is definitely a lean on the SM2 as it turns towards the AG. The AG did not get out of the way. So far it looks like the AG lost the game of chicken but they may well win the PR war specially if the Maritime Board finds in their favour.