White tail spider bites

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Originally Posted by Numpty's Missus

Except it is not Murphy's Law ;)

The human body is very unique and differs subtly from body to body...it is that which makes it a fact that what will affect one person does not necessarily affect another

Factor in also location, nutritional health, exposure to bacteria, exposure to viruses, how much abuse you have given your body, how fit you are, how healthy you, existing co-morbitities..... etc etc

We look basically alike but there are huge differences at times ;)

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I may be in strife with that bit:angel:

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Originally Posted by vnx205

Are you including the MedIcal Journal of Australia in the group of people talking through their hat or don't you interpret the results of their research in the same way i do?

Their report said in part:
A world-first study published in the current issue of the Medical Journal of Australia (2003; 179 (4): 199-202) shows that of 130 white-tail spider bite victims in the study, none suffered from these ulcers or from confirmed infection.

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The bites to the 130 people in the study were not characterised by necrotic ulcers or confirmed infections.
'We hope this study will begin to dispel some of the myths surrounding white-tail spiders and their bite,' Dr Isbister said.


As other have said or suggested, the reason you need to be careful is not because it is a a white-tailed spider bite, but because it is a bite.

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OK well answered but maybe I'm a sceptic I have seen the results of a bite from one. Also I have been bitten by a redback with only minor discomfort.But I know of one bloke who was bitten on North Stradbroke Island here in SEQ.He was nearly dead when the air ambulance got him to the mainland hospital.So horses for courses,it depends entirely on the individual.
Cheers,
John.

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Originally Posted by Numpty's Missus

Except it is not Murphy's Law ;)

The human body is very unique and differs subtly from body to body...it is that which makes it a fact that what will affect one person does not necessarily affect another

Factor in also location, nutritional health, exposure to bacteria, exposure to viruses, how much abuse you have given your body, how fit you are, how healthy you, existing co-morbitities..... etc etc

We look basically alike but there are huge differences at times ;)

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I bow to you NM Your have beaten me to a standstill,
Cheers,
John.

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Originally Posted by Numpty's Missus

I think that these days the opinion that the white-tailed spider was responsible for the terrible tissue death and ulcers that sometimes occur with spider bites, has been changed to the opinion that it is some OTHER spider that causes this condition which is known as necrotic arachnidism.
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Yep, quite correct and that's in the guideline too.

It's also why I thought it best to supply the link to the NSWHealth Guideline rather than transcribe the whole document and all the various species contained therein.

Much more reliable than something like Wikipedia which anyone can supply their unsubstantiated myths.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

Are you including the MedIcal Journal of Australia in the group of people talking through their hat or don't you interpret the results of their research in the same way i do?

Their report said in part:
A world-first study published in the current issue of the Medical Journal of Australia (2003; 179 (4): 199-202) shows that of 130 white-tail spider bite victims in the study, none suffered from these ulcers or from confirmed infection.

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The bites to the 130 people in the study were not characterised by necrotic ulcers or confirmed infections.
'We hope this study will begin to dispel some of the myths surrounding white-tail spiders and their bite,' Dr Isbister said.


As other have said or suggested, the reason you need to be careful is not because it is a a white-tailed spider bite, but because it is a bite.

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and this was written by a doctor and they lie i'm liveing proof i ment to be dead 4 time over and not be able to move my legs but if you want i can kick you (and cause of that last reson i carn't get a doctors clearance to work)

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Originally Posted by mike 90 RR

Ditto ... Thats my understanding about those critters ^^^

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With the re-occurrence every year ,How would you possibly see that happening?????? It's not like the venom stays dormant & pops back out, there for the logical thing is to conclude it has bugger all to do with the spider & probably some germ that appears around a certain time of year.

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Originally Posted by twitchy

How would you possibly see that happening?????? It's not like the venom stays dormant & pops back out, there for the logical thing is to conclude it has bugger all to do with the spider & probably some germ that appears around a certain time of year.

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Bullrout and stonefish injuries give annual recurring symtoms too, so it's not unique. The treatment of recurrant symptoms is the same as the initial first aid.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Bullrout and stonefish injuries give annual recurring symtoms too, so it's not unique. The treatment of recurrant symptoms is the same as the initial first aid.

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Must read more into it & see how it is possible, just doesn't SEEM to make sense, but not everything does I guess.


Can you give me some links as i can't find anything on recurrent stings.

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Originally Posted by twitchy

Must read more into it & see how it is possible, just doesn't SEEM to make sense, but not everything does I guess.

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Or avoid wildlife attacks.;)

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Originally Posted by twitchy

With the re-occurrence every year ,How would you possibly see that happening?????? It's not like the venom stays dormant & pops back out, there for the logical thing is to conclude it has bugger all to do with the spider & probably some germ that appears around a certain time of year.

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Simple, it doesn't, its not possible, its an old wives tale.The annually recurring sore theory is crap.The only way you could get something to happen after the bite had apparently healed would be a latent infection.( I have had this happen after a Perentie bite, a few weeks after the original wound appeared to have healed, my hand got infected.)I went to the doc, got some antibiotics and all was well.I have been bitten by hundreds of goannas, snakes,skinks , dragons etc over the years and it has never happened and never will.Trust me on this, my parents told me the same stories as well.