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Originally Posted by scarry
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Why? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
Willem
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Originally Posted by PAT303
Also,when the D1 arrived,it didn't have the competition in it's market here in Aus that the D2 did when it appeared.
Why should this mean we should get rid of state governments? All vehicles still have to meet ADRs. If any state wants to go a step further because of local conditions that's it's business. We are a Federation of States, after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BMKal
Apparently, at this stage, it is a Victoria only thing - at least that's how it was put in an article in 'The Age' this morning. Scroll down - its the fourth paragraph from the bottom. I have to say tho, that I got it a little bit wrong - its electronic stability control they were talking about.
Willem
I was just reading a story in "4X4 Australia" magazine about the new RR Autobiography.
Apart from the tyres it appears to be just as capable off road as any of its predecessors. And with a 200K price tag.
From all the reading I have done on D3's, 4's, and RR's including sport they are all very capable off roaders.
I believe that Land Rover has not forgotten its core value of "off road ability" being of highest priority.
I think the problem lies with independent suspension. The hard core off roader and this includes myself don't like independent suspension. I think we all like live axles because it is simple and easy to maintain and modify if one wishes.
Live axles also offer superior wheel travel although from what I have read LR have a very good independent suspension, unlike the Jap brands
Dave.
Live axles vs independant suspension, springs vs air bags, electronics etc. The perpetual arguments that always come up. As for the new Defender looking like the old??
It is not the second hand car market that decides what sells or not. Car makers have to appeal to the new car buyer. I see that there are two ways to do this; appeal to the exclusive high price low volume end of the market or go for the low end of the market with high volume. Neither of these markets are going to go for the live axles. I don't think that either end of the market wants them. With very few exceptions most 4x4s spend 80% or more of their time on made roads which are much nicer to drive over in an independant suspension vehicle.
I was at a club gathering about 4-5 years ago where the Australian manager for LR came as a guest speaker. It was clear that LR had its challenges then, not even the top end of the market could be garranteed with nearly every OEM producing their own SUV, Porsche, Volvo, Mercedes, Lexus, Mazda etc to say nothing of the VW, Ford and GM offerings.
These people do their research and they know that we the people who give each other the LR wave or the subtle raise of the finger off the steering wheel as we pass each other want. Unfortunatelly they are not going to make a lot of money from people that hold on to their cars for 10 years or more and fix it them themselves. Dealerships count on income from their service departments and new car sales are what keep the factory going.
So unless we are in the new car market our opinion does not count for as much as the people in the D3/D4 part of the forum. It is nothing personal it is just business.:cool:
And that is exactly my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by willem
So if I buy a new vehicle over the border in NSW or SA that meets ADR's, i am not allowed into Victoria because some jumped up local bureaucrat decides that Victoria wants to impose some additional conditions or restrictions (not having a go at Victoria in particular - same principle applies to all states).
The next step from this is to allow local governments to make and impose their own rules - believe it or not, this was the case here in WA up until not so long ago - each shire had its own traffic cops, you had to register your vehicle in the shire in which you lived (hence the "shire" number plate system, many of which can still be seen on vehicles in WA) - and you could cop different fines / penalties for the same offence across shire boundaries.
Get rid of the bloody lot of them I say - we are one country and should be operating under one set of standards / rules. Can't see the value in having so many levels of government coming up with multiple layers of rules, just to justify the existence of useless bureaucrats who would probably struggle to hold down a job out in the real world.
I want whatever suspension works best. I reckon that once you accept air suspension and its ability to lift the car, independent suspension makes sense, because then you lift the diffs as well and give yourself better ground clearance than you can with beam axles. Cross-linking the air springs was a brilliant idea, giving better articulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Whippy
Willem
I'm pretty sure that all vehicles have to have stability control. Traction control is a subset of stability control.
From a 4wd perspective, stability control adds yaw sensors, lateral G sensors etc.
I don't like bureaucracies any more than you do, but I like many levels of government, because concentrating power at one level leads to a greater chance of corruption and eventually tyranny. Multiple levels of government are a guards against the concentration power and its accompanying problems. I am only too aware of human nature to want to see power concentrated at one level of government. Sure, it costs us more, but the greater cost is worth the greater safety from tyranny.Quote:
Originally Posted by BMKal
Willem
The RR has always been the premium Land Rover. Full of technology. RRC was, just their wasn't the electronics around in 1970. Coils springs, constant 4wd etc. It has evolved with technology and incorporates it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmic Tourist
All the other manufacturers (try to) follow, but like others have noted, the RR has always maintained its ability off road as this is at the core of it's being - to be as capable off road or more so than the model it replaces.
Cheers