Isn't it time to get serious and start cruching cars?

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

What about not giving people a licence until they are 21. Wouldn't help entirely but most kids are slightly more sensible by then... :)

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Not the answer either in my opinion. Kids are working from 16 on, so how do you propose they get to work, Uni etc? Dont quote public transport as that only applies in major cities and I am not sure I would want my kids on it anyway on certain routes or times and it is not often convenient.
Everyone is quick to blame speed, but that is only one contributing factor. The point everyone misses is there is usually alcohol or drugs involved that increase the bravado and bullet proof attitude, then the speed comes into it.
My wife had a good suggestion, why not make the 0.02 P plate limit for alcohol and no drugs stay in play until drivers turn 22 or for later life drivers min 4-5 years from the time they get their license?
I reckon this would do more as long as it is enforced.
All alcohol and drug positives above set limits should be immediate loss of license, not depending on case.

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Originally Posted by CraigE

Not the answer either in my opinion. Kids are working from 16 on, so how do you propose they get to work, Uni etc? Dont quote public transport as that only applies in major cities and I am not sure I would want my kids on it anyway on certain routes or times and it is not often convenient.
Everyone is quick to blame speed, but that is only one contributing factor. The point everyone misses is there is usually alcohol or drugs involved that increase the bravado and bullet proof attitude, then the speed comes into it.
My wife had a good suggestion, why not make the 0.02 P plate limit for alcohol and no drugs stay in play until drivers turn 22 or for later life drivers min 4-5 years from the time they get their license?
I reckon this would do more as long as it is enforced.
All alcohol and drug positives above set limits should be immediate loss of license, not depending on case.

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the alcohol limit for P platers is zero

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Originally Posted by schmierer LR at singleton

the alcohol limit for P platers is zero

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I think you will find it is 0.02 to allow for medications etc. I know this for sure in WA and am pretty sure it is the same Australia wide but is refered to as 0 most often.

I'm sick of the guvment and their knee-jerk reactions after stuff like the other day. On another forum people are talking about the guvment wanting to bring in curfews and crap like that.

This kid was driving with five passengers, that's more than the car can legally carry and he was only allowed one of those passengers with his Ps. He was driving an un-registered car under the influence of alchohol after screaming away from a party, apparently trying to get away from some 'gate crashers' who tried to chase them.

And people wonder why this kid crashed?

And the guvment bringing more laws in is stupid, as this kid has already proven his blatant disregard for the law, by breaking as many as he could, starting with driving an un-registered car!

What sort of parents let their son drive an un-registered car anyway?

Any more BS laws will just punush those who do care about their life and their friend's lives and actually obey the laws. The more laws are brought in, the more the 'good' people will suffer.

And the the idea of P-plater curfews I read on another forum. Half p-platers work nights so that idea has failed before it even was an idea.

This sort of crap ****es me off. An idiot breaks a few laws, and kills himself and all his friends who were stupid enough to get into the car, and then people want more laws.

You're quite right about the fact that more legislation would not have stopped this bloke and a lot like him.

In one respect though it is not just a government knee jerk reaction. It is a society knee jerk reaction.

The politicians will only bring in more regulations if they think it will be electorally popular. It will only be electorally popular of enough people think it is a good idea.

People like to blame the government, but the government is usually only doing what a significant section of society wants. That is how they get re-elected.

It is not the government's fault. It is our fault. Of course I exclude you and me from that group because we can see the futility of it. It is everyone else's fault. :p

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Originally Posted by D-Fender

This sort of crap ****es me off. An idiot breaks a few laws, and kills himself and all his friends who were stupid enough to get into the car, and then people want more laws.

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I agree completely. Victoria is already enough of a Nanny State without having more laws put in place to be disregarded.

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Stupidity cant be banned unfortunately. Hindsight is great but I dare say a lot of can look back and say "geez we were lucky not to kill ourselves".

Instead of crushing their cars I would rather have the hoon be forced to watch his car being auctioned off at a redicuously low price (auction only available to people over 25) or perhaps some of the higer quality hoon cars could be used as under cover cop cars similar to the way that old cars are being recycled for speed cameras.

Being an ambo have dealt with similar cases but the most memorable was a cruiser ute full of teens rolling in a paddock whilst doing circle work. Not going very fast but when sitting in the tray you have a good chance of ending up squashed underneath the vehicle.

I remeber an accident a few years back where a car full of teens hit a bridge and one of the metal railings went straight through the car and through one of the passengers and making a horrible mess. This kid was well under 18 and his bogan family and friends made a roadside memorial for him - they all left cans of bundy rum!!

Nothing will be achieved until that particular mindset can be changed.

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Exactly!

Willem

I reckon the problem is that these kids are dislocated from the society around them, and therefore they just don't care. Not an arrogant 'don't care', but just that the welfare of others in society, and the welfare of society itself, is just not important to them. That's why they can do things that anti-social and it just doesn't bother them. That's why the mate of one of those guys killed was booked doing 165 kmh just a few hours later. Society, life, death ... just becomes unimportant. The now, the me, that's all there is.

Willem

It wouldn't work! If you stared cruching (sic) cars then PETA would get all nasty!

Me, I say if it's fly blown then crutch it!

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Originally Posted by CraigE

I think you will find it is 0.02 to allow for medications etc. I know this for sure in WA and am pretty sure it is the same Australia wide but is refered to as 0 most often.

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The alcohol limit dropped to zero about 18 months ago when the Green P - Red P system came in. I was on my P-Plates at the time and the sent me a big long letter saying that as of X date, I wouldn't be able to drive after midnight, and this and that. But they did give me some shiney new p plates. I have been on the road now for 4 years, and in that time i have stayed within the laws to a reasonable extent, and have not had a ticket yet. (or even a warning)

I suppose at the end of the day, if someone who wants to go fast can't hot up his car, then he'll buy a bike and hot that up...

Ben