Thread: Isn't it time to get serious and start cruching cars?

All new drivers should be taught on gravel and wet road on how to control a car . Speed limiting won't work cos they will still do 100kph in a 50 zone given the chance .

As my Pop has said " A license allows you to drive . It doesn't mean you can drive".

If you want to slow down P platers then give them a 4cyl car with a carby on it not EFI . And keep it naturally aspirated under 1.8l engine .

Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!

Yes I suppose your right it is a free country.
Hoons have the Free right to kill themselves and those of us that have no say in it.
Let's be barbaric and have no laws!
No disrepect BUT HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY ONE CLOSE TO YOU KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT?
I HAVE TWICE -So don't preach about FREE WILL
The loved ones I lost had no right or freedom, they were taken BY SPEEDING OTHER DRIVERS!

Yes, unfortunately I have..... Lost 2 in one accident.... 1 in another...

And had a Girlfriend nearly killed when hit by a DUI (0.182) doing 140km/h.
He was already suspended from driving for 10 years for multiple prior DUI.

Did it stop him driving? No... Car cost $500ish.... He was 30-40kmh over the limit....

No law was going to protect her...

Laws are in place - Jail time etc... Just need Judges with some BALLS to actually lock offenders up.

Speed always kills - No 2 stationary objects can ever collide.

As for ZERO blood alcohol - Too detailed... Most can handle a couple and function ok to drive (IMHO)
I've seen people under the limit incapable of walking! I've also seen people over the limit 'sober as a judge'...

Fatigue is worse - Tired people, especially hard worked, O/Time workers leaving work later... Less focused etc.... Or city people whose usual journey is 20-40min driving long stretches of rural roads/highways... They don't recognise the fatigue and dangers...

Originally Posted by Fusion

All new drivers should be taught on gravel and wet road on how to control a car . Speed limiting won't work cos they will still do 100kph in a 50 zone given the chance .

As my Pop has said " A license allows you to drive . It doesn't mean you can drive".

If you want to slow down P platers then give them a 4cyl car with a carby on it not EFI . And keep it naturally aspirated under 1.8l engine .

Like my old Euro Escort?1.6L with Side draft Webs on it...

Good for sickening speeds in such a tin box car...

Sold it to a mate and it put him in hospital with 2 broken legs, busted ribs etc... He put it into a paddock and then a tree from around 180km/h.

Originally Posted by PAT303

Why is it a government problem?,why do parents let thier kids have those types of cars?.When my son is 18 an buys a car he won't be buying any type of performance car,if he decides too and being a teenager he will he'll find all his cloths on the lawn and his room made into my study. Pat

Hahaha.....

My old man tried this on me in my teen years

SO I joined the Navy, Moved to Sydney and purchased a 750 Katana and a 308 Commodore

Fatigue is the big killer in the country. Folks just seem to think they can drive further than they can.

The young tend to combine that with alcohol.

IMHO zero BAC should be the limit across the board for all drivers. Just because a dude looks OK and appears to be able to handle their grog doesn't mean they are alert enough.

As for the bad hoon element, I think in most cases you'll find training etc won't do anything. The 'damage' was probably done in early childhood. The brain ahs become hardwired.

He would have blown 0.19

Death crash driver four times over limit - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Originally Posted by Jamo

IMHO zero BAC should be the limit across the board for all drivers. Just because a dude looks OK and appears to be able to handle their grog doesn't mean they are alert enough.

Agree. A friend of a friend got busted for blowing 0.051 and he had no way of knowing he was that close to the limit. Zero BAC is a fairly easy number to guesstimate... "have I had anything to drink in the past 24 hours?" - yes? - then don't drive.


...But then I say this as a total non-drinker... if they enforced this for coffee then I would be rooted!

Originally Posted by solmanic

Agree. A friend of a friend got busted for blowing 0.051 and he had no way of knowing he was that close to the limit. Zero BAC is a fairly easy number to guesstimate... "have I had anything to drink in the past 24 hours?" - yes? - then don't drive.


...But then I say this as a total non-drinker... if they enforced this for coffee then I would be rooted!

Its quite unrealistic....

% of People unable to drive under 0.05BAC would be very low...
% of accidents where persons were intoxicated vs ok???

Zero blood alcohol would close 95% of Cafe', restaraunt, clubs (sporting, social etc) down..... Or send them to the wall....

Country town pubs would all but dry up and close due to lost lunch patronage...


What's the next phase? If you haven't slept in 8 hours you'll be done for DWAR - Driving Without Adequate Rest? They say its as dangerous as being over 0.05...


No matter what, there will be someone, somewhere who lost a loved one due to; a car accident, Drunk Driver, Plane Crash, Boating accident, Gunshot, Drug overdose, Dog attack, Motorcycle accident, bad fall, abseiling gear failure, parachute failing to open,falling space turd etc....

We cannot legislate everything, as it will reduce our ability to live.
All freedoms come with a price... Unfortunately death is one of those prices...

So get busy living, you're already busy dying.