Thread: Punishment for road law breakers????

There are enough people around who will defend hoons to a certain degree thats why in the end very little will get done they come up with all sorts of reasons why you cant make life hard for them but not put up any real answers. remember most of the ideas floated are as a PUNISHMENT and as such are ment to make life harder for them so what if the car registered in mums name is crushed and she gets upset at little johny she should, if he/she them goes out and steals someones car to hoon in then send em to gaol. I didnt have the best driving record as a young bloke but the fines changed my attitude as they get caught put the punishment up a notch at a time. Fact is young drivers are involved in far more accidents than they should be in some from inexperience some through hooning we cant do much about inexpirence but we can about hoons

Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!

So you don't see reckless behaviour as a bad thing, that leads to potential crashes.
God help all decent law abiding road users. People some poeple think it ok.
Why don't they do do nut and burnouts whilst they are doing their driving tests? Are they too gutless to do it then?
May be some of the pro hoon lobby should spend some time in the trauma units, or attend accident scenes. Or ask the police accident investigation officers and ask them if the accident was not caused by contributing factors.
By why should we believe these people, they only sensationalise the trauma, it's really not a problem and no one get hurt from stupidity.
I can see why there are people out there that defend these hoons, do they have skeletons in the closet indicating that they did this sort of behaviour themselves. So that makes it alright for others.
I can't believe there are people out there that condone this behaviour as exceptable.
That's sad and a shame.

That is just stupid. Why then on that reasoning would you not speed, talk on your mobile, park illegally etc etc while doing your driving test. Oh thats right because you will fail. Yet most of us have done something that would fail us on a driving test, so are we all hoons.
I attend MVA's regularly and or see the result of most through the nature of my employment and I can tell you most are not through hoon activities. But I suppose that depends what you put under the big umbrella of hoon activities. My thought are if it is dangerous driving and real dangerous driving not just doing a low speed burnout, chirping the tyres etc (these should still have their own ramifications) then it could be regarded as hooning, but things like speeding on their own are generally not hoon activities. Yes still punishable by law but not hooning. If you include any one activity as hooning then maybe you are right.
What cars then do classify as a hoons car? You regularly see FPV and HSV cars described as hoons cars but in fact most hooning actually occurs in japanese **** boxes. Get real and stop labelling people by the car they drive. I own a modified 4x4, Statesman V8 and SS Torana and have owned performance bikes and am most cetainly not a hoon. Under your reasoning that makes every 4x4 owner a hoon.
As I have continually said and the road stats back up, most so called hoon incidents and crashes involve alcohol, not just the car or speed so therefore are they classified as hoon or drink driving. Drink drivers are generally far more dangerous and range from young drivers right through to the elderly.
Most learn after being fined a few times, I know I did. Not condoning such activities but the best way is not to do such things in built up or high traffic areas. I myself have chatted and reported idiots doing high speed burnouts in town.
It is a big kettle of fish and there are no easy answers. The biggest problem is there is no real definition of a hoon or hoon activities and age and car is irrelevant. I have more issues with stupid 4x4 owners belting along the beach at 80-100kmph past families playing or swimming. This is far more dangerous and should be regarded as hooning.
Oh and by just getting in your car it can lead to a potential crash. Same as any other illegal activity or traffic breach, inattention or fatigue, is this hooning? Because they can all lead to the same result and often do moreso than hooning.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about people who were done under the hoon laws when in reality they were speeding. To me hooning is dragging, burnouts, doughnuts and being reckless in an inappropriate spot (built up areas, back streets) Doing 150 up the hume or calder is speeding not hooning!
when I was a young fella the best thing the cops ever told us was to go and do our 'hooning' in the factory estates but these days there are after noon and night shift so I spose they're buggered unless they get a Defender and they won't feel the need to hoon, just putt along at a sedate pace

Defers are turboed doesnt that make them a hoons car

Originally Posted by Reads90

mmm i think they should crush the car, that the driver was driving at the time even if it is not his. Who ever it belongs to it will get crush and the kid/ driver will have to explain to their parnets, company or Hire company or who ever the car belong to, why their car has been crushed.

Would make them think twice when they owe $30 grand for a car that they got crushed and their company or parents want/ need that money back

Would this apply to a stolen car, like lets say your 90. Or when the parents say that it was taken without permission? It would be a difficult position for a parent to either have the car crushed or have their child charged for car theft!!

Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!

You need to do your trip into Dandenong City, via Frankston, Endeavour hills, Ferntree Gully,Carrum Downs, Mill Park, St.kilda, Hampton Park. Streets and not on the main roads. Then have a look at all the Black tyre marks that zig zag and are in circles, these of course were made by responsible drivers, maybe their vehicles just wander a bit at speed because of a bad wheel alignment? A lot of Hoons come out at night, or the wee hours of the morning, it depends on the area. You usually don't see hoons doing burnouts on the middle of the Princes Hwy or in peak hour traffic on the Monash freeway.
But it's easy to turn a blind eye and think all is ok in noddy land.

Thanks for the offer, I'll decline, you can stick your subourbs, horrible place

How do I turn a blind eye? I am a hoon, I love burnouts, wheelies, fast cars, I just tell you what I see and share my experiences from the "other side"

Your right they come out at night, places where they can;t be seen, that's the idea, when noone else is around, I mean, Derr

So if you want to crush "hoons" cars for speeding wont the next call be to crush 4wd's that actually do as we go down tracks that are not official firetrails/ roads and we put mud and drag out debri onto the road running from forest fire trails onto tar roads into towns.
Yes book people for dangerous driving in built up high car/ pedestrian traffic areas but FFS stop the tax agent with a badge and a gun scenario when you are doing 10-20k's over on a wide straight multi lane freeway with clear vision and little traffic( caught 3 times over 5 years mid-week between 11pm and 2 am driving home "quickly" from work in the city 1990-95) or the latest one being given a ticket for doing a u turn at midnight on a deserted 4 lane road at the lights(clear vision for 1 k of oncoming) after picking up dinner from maccas after a call out. It took the pol...OOPS state tax officer 2 ks to catch up as he was that far away and during his license check we saw all of 1 car go past, but he did nothing about the (young)teens with 2 slabs siting down the road!

The main problem is that a lot of the time it comes down to police descretion. They make blanket laws that mean they can find a reason to book anyone anywhere if the police officer deems it fit. All fair and good until you get a power tripper who just wants to write a ticket. The laws are there to keep people safe. But it's pretty easy to find cases where the cops are just trying to make a quota.

The cops don't play by the rules. People lose respect for all police because of this. Police then complain that no-one likes them. They spend a fair bit of time talking to highschoolers, trying to develop a good relationship, but all it takes is one power tripper to destroy all that work. I had a good opinion of the cops for the first 28 years of my life, until I met a bad one (I don't get pulled over much) After the actions of the officer, and the way my complaint against the officer was dealt with, I couldn't care less about them, they are thick as theives.

So, how can you let someone like that have greater powers, when half of them can't be trusted with what they already have? I feel sorry for the few good cops out there, but most of the good ones I know have already gotten out.