Victorian Road Rules

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

never by mature drivers of any age.

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Originally Posted by saiken

.... I agree with you on some level but I've hoon towed 40 year olds..... one of which was a guy that would of been 45-50 that did a massive burnout on a motorbike directly infront of a parked unmarked car **standing burnout** the other was a 40-50 year old who was exceeding the speed limit by 25+ in his Ferrari, so I wouldn't say that they "never" do it. however I agree its more common in younger drivers.

Also I agree with your Father in laws saying :D, hence why I take part in motor-sports now and have undertaken advanced training.

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Don't confuse maturity with chronological age. :angel:

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Most cops (ie not traffic) are fair and reasonable, applying the spirit of the law rather than the letter. A senior Police Officer, who I knew socially, told me that usually the fundimental orifii amongst their ranks end up in traffic or watch-house duties. These are the one who will ping you for some obscure technicallity or 1-2 kays over."

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One bloke on this forum is ex-Highway Patrol. I asked what was his criteria for excessive speed when he was on the job.

Generally speaking, he said, it was +10% + 3km/h.

So if you were doing above 69km/h (60 + 6 + 3) in a 60km/h zone, you were done.

80km/h in a 70 zone, ditto.
124km/h in a 110 zone, ditto.

That's pretty fair in my view.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

It seems to me that there are two basic schools of thought here. On one hand, the people who are saying all coppers are illegittimate, and the other (I note two of them in uniform;)) appear to be saying that if you cop a bluey, just wear it as you deserved it.
It just ain't that simple folks, the 10/90 rule works both ways.

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and it appears the nail has been hit upon the head!!!
I agree wholheartedly that there are a percentage of cops who are just plain pinching anyone who moves or breathes, but balancing that out is an equal percentage who try desperately hard to do little or no traffic work....

"10/90 works both ways" that is indeed the best way to put it...

and "On one hand, the people who are saying all coppers are illegittimate,"
as for this I quote one my my older workmates " I cant be a bastard, my parents were married, and I know that because I was there.......:angel:"

Im not against P platers and dont actually pick on them, but when you see a car doing something stupid , quite often your eyes are drawn to the P plate that indicates the driver is inexperienced... and if you have a 4 cyl car that drowns out jet noise near the airport, or you have mags on front and stockies on the back, or you have anything else that makes your car stand out.....it will achieve what you wanted we'll all look.... but we may take a professional interest!!

I have for about 15 of my 23 years been in stations where I was responsible for driver testing.... as I said to each one after they passed, if you think this license was hard to get, try keeping all your points thru to your full licence....
I have once had to help cut the very broken (still live and concious) body of
someone who had passed his test and got his licence from me from around a very solid stone fence corner, slid in at god knows what speed sideways..

so id rather stop someone early and be thought a bastard...

cheers

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Originally Posted by p38arover

One bloke on this forum is ex-Highway Patrol. I asked what was his criteria for excessive speed when he was on the job.

Generally speaking, he said, it was +10% + 3km/h.

So if you were doing 69km/h (60 + 6 + 3) in a 60km/h zone, you were done.

80km/h in a 70 zone, ditto.
124km/h in a 110 zone, ditto.

That's pretty fair in my view.

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this is still well used, it was an older coppers rule of thumb used when follow and timing vehicles was the standard speeding enforcement!! some of us
havent stopped using it...(old habits)
(dont rely on it, lots dont use it!)

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Originally Posted by richard4u2

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

........... if you do go to court, wear a collar and tie!

plus a can opener for "the can of worms" because before you have the chance to talk they will read the history of your life if you had accidents or fines in the past ;)

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in w.a i am pretty sure this is something they can not do , you must be judged on the case before the court, only.

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No you are probably correct. They won't read your driving record before the prosecution's case is finished and your clothing in court has nothing to do with the evidence.

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They will read out your driving history (in fact the magistrate will probably have it on the bench) at the time of making the determination and sentence. At that time the collar an tie will represent your respect for the court and the corollary from that your respect for the law AND that may be the one fact why you get a dismissal (under section 556 in NSW) even though the evidence confirms you did the crime.

Remember, the magistrate's court (local court) does not have to follow precedent, the magistrate has a lot of freedom to make a determination outside the letter of the law. That is something not available to the district and higher courts presided over by a judge.

Diana

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Don't confuse maturity with chronological age. :angel:

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My bad V8Ian

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

No you are probably correct. They won't read your driving record before the prosecution's case is finished and your clothing in court has nothing to do with the evidence.

HOWEVER

They will read out your driving history (in fact the magistrate will probably have it on the bench) at the time of making the determination and sentence. At that time the collar an tie will represent your respect for the court and the corollary from that your respect for the law AND that may be the one fact why you get a dismissal (under section 556 in NSW) even though the evidence confirms you did the crime.

Remember, the magistrate's court (local court) does not have to follow precedent, the magistrate has a lot of freedom to make a determination outside the letter of the law. That is something not available to the district and higher courts presided over by a judge.

Diana

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I agree with Diana fully..

All i can say is harden the F up, they are the rules so if you dont like them move states, too many P platers as Ron said purposely try to obscure their p plates so they can look cool or appear older than they are.
I always give L platers and P platers space as they are still learning to drive, but some need a good kick in the arse and taught to have a little patience instead having to be the first in a pack of traffic. They should bring back the power/weight ration system , none of these grey import jap buzz boxes for a start, no WRX's or Evo copies. P platers should be made to drive a 20 year old car for 3 years like the rest of us before all these cheap asian crap boxes hit the market.

Make them all drive series landrovers for a few years something you actualy have to drive..

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Originally Posted by p38arover

One bloke on this forum is ex-Highway Patrol. I asked what was his criteria for excessive speed when he was on the job.

Generally speaking, he said, it was +10% + 3km/h.

So if you were doing above 69km/h (60 + 6 + 3) in a 60km/h zone, you were done.

80km/h in a 70 zone, ditto.
124km/h in a 110 zone, ditto.

That's pretty fair in my view.

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Again Ron, the 10/90 rule applies. Demonstrating why we should not make wide sweeping generalizations.