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Carburettor Guide | Throttle | Carburetor
Regards Philip A
Im assuming you want a pic on a Holden motor as opposed to LR motor.
A 'bonnet up' pick is no good as its hidden by the air filter
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Carburettor Guide | Throttle | Carburetor
Regards Philip A
That would have to be the most comprehensive document I have ever seen on a car component.Hello Phillip - got it read it and stuff is missing from it.
Bear in mind that these are about the simplest carby ever fitted to a car.
What is missing?
Regards Philip A
Hello Phillip,
Yes it is a great document one of the best available - no qualms about that at all. I paid Scribid so I could download it and it is the first carburettor book that I go to look stuff up.
I had to find from other sources about two to three later 202 red motor carburettors Stromberg single barrel . I found the answers elsewhere and added them on another AULRO thread. I am not sure how reliable the sources I found are though?
Okay - had another look and there is an Addendum which has the missing ones
Caburettor that were not previously listed in the FB/EK Guide - however included in the Addendum were: Accessed 5th of May 2017, from FB/EK Holden Stromberg Carburettion Enthusiasts Guide Addendum 1 - Documents
23-3049 BXUV-3 2375066 Bedford 300ci six cylinder petrol engines (1971).
23-3051 BXV-2 2375068 Holden HQ and LC and LJ Torana 173ci six cylinder engines with automatic transmissions (1971-1973).
23-3052 BXV-2 2375069 Holden LJ GTR Torana 3300cc six cylinder “S” engines (1972-1973) and Holden HQ 202ci six cylinder engines
with manual transmissions (1971-1973).
23-3092 BXUV-3 2375153 Holden HJ and LH and LX Torana 202ci six cylinder engines with manual transmissions (1975-1976).
Kind Regards
Lionel
Lionel,
Not sure if I have followed this thread right, but I just had the carby on my 186 reconditioned by a guy here in Adelaide (SA Carbys) who seems to know the Holdens well. He took one look at my carb and said it was an HJ one, HJ water heated manifold too. So, not a 186 carb, either 173 or 202, but seems to work well. The photo earlier in this thread shows a top cover vent that predates mine (and maybe yours) as mine has an angled-down tube where a rubber hose would go in place of the nut thing in the photo. Anyway - I was told - the 1st iteration of emission control fed unburnt petrol vapour from that vent into the air cleaner. Not long after that, they introduced the carbon canister filter and the tube went there. My car still has the early HR/HK plain air cleaner with no connections for tubes at all, and the top cover vent was just open to atmosphere. After the rebuild, that vent was blocked off with a plastic cap and the car had vapour lock problems when warm. I took the cap off and its been ok since.
Having the carb rebuilt by a specialist was a good thing for me. I had put a kit through it a few years ago but with poor results. This time, the surfaces were all flattened before reassembly, new throttle bush fitted (stable idle speed near impossible if this is worn as main butterfly never sits in the same place twice) and copper gaskets on jets were correctly installed (I messed that up apparently, something about seating and forming a cold weld on tightening?)
Also, my carb has 2 small fittings for vacc on the barrel, one above the main butterfly and one below. I had the distributor connected to the wrong one ( small tube fits either). My car only needs one tube, not sure if the other one is HJ emission control or maybe for an auto trans. Blocked off now anyway.
Hope some of that helps somehow...
Paul
Paul
1971 IIA ute, 186 (Betsy)
they're not dents, they're character...
G'day Paul,
Thanks for the message Paul.
I wanted to avoid any carburettor hassles so I bought a re manufactured carburettor from an interstate mob of "professionals". I also supplied them with the engine number. When the carburettor arrived I noticed that top section was warped - so I sent it back. Then the exchange one was not for my late 1977 engine- which puts it at either late HX or early HZ.
The one I was sent is from a HJ. Turns out that this only has the pipe coming off the side of the carburettor that leads to the charcoal filter. Then a line going back to the fuel tank. There is an elbow off the side of the air-cleaner that goes into the top of the rocker cover close to oil filler cap. Then another pipe that goes off the inlet manifold and connects into the rocker cover with a PCV value near the fire wall. The pipe that goes from the inlet manifold to the PCV has a "T" piece that runs from the passenger side connector of the charcoal canister - then that is that anti-pollution wise for the HJ.
The care came with a carburettor off a 161 engine and the air cleaner too. I also got lucky when I dropped into a country town's wreckers and picked up an unmarked air cleaner - turns out it is off a HJ. Since then I have bought a proper Holden charcoal canister. It is has been the only wrecker I have ever been to where they charge admission fees for people going to browse the site!
Today I had a yarn to the local Early Holden Club and a couple of them have directed me to a place that tolerate older cars and has a realistic attitude for minor modifications when they do road worthy inspections. If I fit all the HJ stuff I should be clear for being registered ! Plus I need to get the Holden engine Blue Plated as being a modified engine installation. It was done professionally so it has the alloy engine mounts and looks like a proper job.
I went to an Early Holden car club show last week and there was a totally stock standard HJ sedan on show which luckily had the bonnet up. I traced all the lines and had a very close look at what went where. Then I came home and started looking for an index at the back of my brand new Max Ellery Holden 1971-1978 Automobile Repair Manual.... guess what was there?
The last two pages has a series of schematic diagrams for the emissions
Kind Regards
Lionel
Hi Lionel, I have not been around this site for a little while so haven't seen this thread earlier, but I have a pretty original HZ 202 manual. I think it has the original carb, I have not changed it in the last ten years anyway. It has the charcoal canister hooked up. You may have this sorted but, if you still need any pics of the carb and hoses let me know and I can take some on the weekend.
Cheers
Bernie
D2 TD5 Manual
G'day Bernie,
Thanks for the offer. Does your HZ have a vapour vent - it looks like a sort of funnel shaped plastic thing that clips on to the bottom of the carbon canister. It looks like a pipe has been cut off at the bottom of my vapour vent. Do you know where this pipe goes and what it connects to?
I bought the carbon canister second hand off the internet so I do not have a clue where it goes and I have not seen one fitted to a real vehicle. Apparently I have attached a photograph which I have drawn arrows and text boxes in.
It does not look like it from the photo but the vapour filter clips on as a snug fit at the bottom of the carbon canister.
Kind Regards
Lionel
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