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    Quote Originally Posted by mick88 View Post
    The R6 S3 was exclusive to SA, and as you say it was the 2.6 "overhead cam" engine, which is actually a Leyland Australia engine, produced for the P76, and it was also used in the Morris Marina (in Australia and SA).
    That the same lump used in the Kimberley?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    That the same lump used in the Kimberley?
    Yes it was, known as an E Series engine, it was available in a four cylinder or a six cylinder variant, with two engine capacities in each.
    The four cylinders were 1.5 and 1.9 litre, and in the six it came in a 2.2 and a 2.6 litre.
    The smaller six (2.2 litre) was the one used in the Kimberly.
    The larger 2.6 litre was used in the P76 and the Morris Marina, plus the South African export Marina's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mick88 View Post
    Yes it was, known as an E Series engine, it was available in a four cylinder or a six cylinder variant, and there were two sizes in each.
    The four cylinders were 1.5 and 1.9 litre, and in the six it came in a 2.2 litre and a 2.6 litre.
    The smaller six (2.2 litre) was used the one used in the Kimberly.
    The larger 2.6 litre was used in the P76 and the Morris Marina, plus the South African export Marina's.

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    Drove a Kimberley for a couple of months. Kinda liked it. Smoother, more powerful Land Crab.
    Am I right in saying the Kimberley X6 was a twin carb, twin headlight version of the Tasman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    Drove a Kimberley for a couple of months. Kinda liked it. Smoother, more powerful Land Crab.
    Am I right in saying the Kimberley X6 was a twin carb, twin headlight version of the Tasman?
    Pretty much - fancier trim as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Pretty much - fancier trim as well.
    They were not a patch on the Austin 1800. That motor had a list as long as your arm of problems, ( oil filter & relief valve problems, overheating, head gaskets , water pump failure , timing chain & guides, wear on the valve adjusting shims & constantly braking engine mounts ,to name a few ) & that was while they were still under warranty. The cars them selves had other problems that the A1800 did not have due to extra weight of the motor & cost cutting .
    On the P76 they moved the fuel pump to the top of the motor in the cam cover , the pump was prone to porous diaphragms causing the motor to fill up with petrol which allowed you to start the motor cold with out the choke & run rich when hot as the fuel vapours from the sump were sucked into the manifold , The short pushrod between the cam & pump leaver wore badly to the point the pump would no longer work.
    This was the start of the Leyland influence

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1950landy View Post
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    This was the start of the Leyland influence
    Not entirely. This engine was a Leyland Australia initiative trying to shape the 1800 into something that was closer to what the Australian market wanted. It was hurriedly developed with inadequate support from head office. Later versions of the engine had most of the issues fixed. The other problems you refer to resulted of course from the increased weight of the engine as you say, and the shortage of funding from head office. They may have already started to spend money on the P76 by this time, and the Tasman/Kimberly would then have been seen as a stopgap and getting funding accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Not entirely. This engine was a Leyland Australia initiative trying to shape the 1800 into something that was closer to what the Australian market wanted. It was hurriedly developed with inadequate support from head office. Later versions of the engine had most of the issues fixed. The other problems you refer to resulted of course from the increased weight of the engine as you say, and the shortage of funding from head office. They may have already started to spend money on the P76 by this time, and the Tasman/Kimberly would then have been seen as a stopgap and getting funding accordingly.
    Back when I worked as a motor mechanic I worked for BMC ,Leyland , JRA dealers . I also worked as service manager through Leyland & JRA, some of the problems were fixed by the P76 but not the major ones like overheating & head gaskets . Some of the changes caused other problems like the fuel pump push rod & the fact the cam cover could flex were the pump was mounted causing the pump to not do a full stroke. The Austin 1800 was a great car , it was a toss up weather the A1800 or the Morris 1100 was the better vehicle . The six cylinder was introduced because the Australian public wanted a six or V8 . Owners of A1800's traded up to the Austin Tasman / Kimberly but most were disappointed with the poor finish inside & out & reliability. The V8 auto P76 was a great car , apart from poor quality trim & switch failure the major problem with they had was water & dust leaks into the cabin. We would spend hours & hours trying to fix the water leaks & it wasn't until Leyland announced they were closing they supplied us with new sill tread plates with a 20mm sq raised middle section to stop the water that came out the door drain holes from running in side due to the fact the original plates sloped towards the in side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1950landy View Post
    The Austin 1800 was a great car , it was a toss up weather the A1800 or the Morris 1100 was the better vehicle .
    The Mini would have to figure in that debate. Are you familiar with Journeys with Gelignite Jack? If you are, you'll know what I mean. If you aren't get a copy and read it. Those BMC cars should be legendary here, but few know anything about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    The Mini would have to figure in that debate. Are you familiar with Journeys with Gelignite Jack? If you are, you'll know what I mean. If you aren't get a copy and read it. Those BMC cars should be legendary here, but few know anything about them.
    The Mini was a great car as well . I have owned two Mini's , around six M1100's but never an A1800 but wish I had. The Mini is a great young person car , the M1100 was a grate car for the wife & kids , were the A1800 was the ideal family car with ample interior room , comfortable seats large boot & adequate power from the engine , to add to that the ride & handling was superb . They all excelled in these rolls. The Mini was the most trouble prone but I think that was due to the age of the owners not the cars . We had few warranty clams for M1100's & A1800's compared to Mini's until Leyland take over when the quality control dropped & cheaper components were sauced to cut costs.
    I would own all three of these vehicles today if I had the room to house them.

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