slight shudder from auto trans

**CaverD3** · 6th January 2011, 01:11 PM

Order the Steel pan and ATF direct from ZF. Dealer should do it for you.
Allianz will not pay for the ATF change but will get the transmission reconditioned.
Get the fault fuly diagnosed.

**Normthe1** · 6th January 2011, 02:19 PM

Thanks Caver.

I spoke to A&B and they quoted $350 for the replacement steel pan and kit. ATF was extra but I didn't ask the price as I didn't want to think about freight to Perth.

I then rang Discovery Automotive here in Perth who are private LR servicers. They quoted $400 for the full tranny service however they replace the OEM pan with a plastic number rather than steel. That $400 included ATF too so that seems like the way to go for me. I'm not a rabid off-roader for the fun of it, I just like to go where I want to when I need to so the plastic is not much of an issue for me and its protected by the cross member anyway.

Allianz will pay for the service less fluids as you say mate so if it all goes to plan, I will be very happy indeed.

Cheers,

Norm

**CaverD3** · 6th January 2011, 02:29 PM

Make sure they use the ZF fluid as most others do not meet the ZF standards for the six speed box. It can cause failures.

**NomadicD3** · 7th January 2011, 09:38 PM

Hey Normthe1,
May i ask have you ever had Discovery automotive do any work before?Also It's a long drive from secret harbour to Wangara why didn't you get Rovertec to do it ,they are in Bently, 30mins closer. At $400 you can almost be certain that it won't be a ZF oil and it you follow Cavers advice it just isn't worth the risk. Actually, it's not just cavers advice, i have spoken to a few transmission specialists lately and nearly all of them say the same thing,l use only the ZF oil and don't put any additives in it... As you can tell I'm doing exactly the same research as you ATM and there is no way i'll be using anything other than the genuine zf oil.
good luck Norm

**Normthe1** · 11th January 2011, 01:39 PM

Sorry for the late reply, been away for a bit...

Checked with DA and they use the ZF ATF, they buy it direct from ZF apparently which is why they can do the service at $400. I didn't ask but I guess the service does not include a double flush.

Nomad: in another post you said you found somebody who quoted a good price, can I ask who that is? You are correct, Wangara is a day trip for me but Bentley is the same if you factor in the service time. I haven't heard anything good or bad about Rovertec, I just don't trust the dealer. It is going to the dealer next week for last years recall work on the brake booster I think and the screaming EPB so I might get them to check the tranny out to see what they say.

Thanks again,

Norm

**CaverD3** · 11th January 2011, 03:01 PM

Dealer will cahrge at least $80 a L for LR stuff.

**Nomad9** · 11th January 2011, 03:53 PM

Hi Norm,
What Caver says is right, I got my oil from the transmission place on MCcoy street in Myaree, Automac Transmissions, they are the agents for ZF in the state, I got a good price, BUT I had to buy twenty litres they wouldn't do a smaller amount. Saying that I've just got on a 9000 klm trip and the gearbox didn't miss a beat, towing my TVan all the way. So the cost of the oil now seems insignificant. The slight judder I had a couple of times has gone completely, phew!!!

**Scary** · 11th January 2011, 04:44 PM

Is there a step by step guide for the ATF change that anyone has. Having not looked under the car amd not knowing what the pan is thta everyone is talking about I wouldn't mind seeing a workshop manual or similar for the job so I can just do it myself.

Any help appreciated.

**Nomad9** · 11th January 2011, 11:33 PM

Hi Scary,
If you intend to do this yourself and install an original oil pan and filter you have to let an engine mounting go to get the filter on and off in one piece. If you go for the metal pan conversion with the independent filter with a couple of short sharp tugs you can break the original plastic filter pipe off and then install the new steel pan and filter without letting anything go, still a bit tricky and you need a torx spanner the same sort of shape and dimension as an allen key to get the torx bolts around the cross member area. If you want to buy the steel pan conversion kit I bought mine from A&B transmissions over East. You get a comprehensive instruction sheet with the steel pan conversion kit.
Hope this helps.

**Normthe1** · 19th January 2011, 04:41 PM

G'day all,

Okay, I just took a deep breath, here goes...

I had already booked the D3 into the dealer for the recall work that came out lateish last year. Whilst there I asked them to check the transmission, due to the symptoms from my earlier post quoted below. Their diagnosis was that the trans is faulty, as determined by some diagnostic test results. End result, they reckon I need a new tranny at just under $7k. I asked the guy what about the flush and fill option and he said not needed, sealed for life etc... I told him that ZF recommend the flush around the 100k mark but he was unimpressed.

I told him that I was covered under the Allianz extended warranty and that I should be covered right??? He said yeah, maybe. I got him to talk to Allianz and this is the result, fresh off the phone this afternoon.

Allianz want the dealer to remove the trans and ship to a mob in the East, Auto Trucks or something, who will examine it. If they say it is a transmission fault, Allianz will repair/replace under warranty, covering all costs. If AutoTrucks say no, its a wear and tear thing, then they will return the trans back to the dealer here in WA, and its my problem. I would be only up for the cost to the dealer for them removing the trans and then obviously reinstalling it.

This will mean that I will be without the car for a minimum of 2 weeks with a possibility that they may reject the warranty claim and I will still be up for a shedload of money to replace the trans..!

Now, whilst overall I am reasonably confident that Allianz will cover it as a fault because, as we all know, its a sealed unit so its not that I have ignored any maintenance requirements, I'm a bit concerned that the reflush option has not been considered by anyone besides me?

How could 115k of life be considered wear and tear on a very expensive, state of the art transmission?

I only bought it a little over 8 months ago at 97k but I'm told that it had all its services on time by the previous corporate owner.

Basically, can I ask if anyone has had similar issues with Allianz covering the tranny or if the reflush option is worthy of more pushing from me?

Cheers guys,

Norm

Originally Posted by Normthe1

G'day all,

I love this forum. I just jumped on here to try and search for transmission and here is this thread just sitting waiting for me.

My '05 D3 TDV6 with about 115k has all of these symptoms too. A slight shudder or hesitation when taking off and slowly accelerating out of corners that I first noticed with the camper on the back, but I can now notice it without the van. I have also noticed the 'delay' when selecting D before actually moving forward.

Now what I am regularly seeing is what I would call slipping through the gears just after backing off the accelerator when I have reached my desired speed. Its always at low, suburban speeds and seems to be a harsh change with a bit of a thud from 2nd to 3rd or 3rd to 4th. I am also getting a little concerned about the fact that when I slow down to turn right through oncoming traffic, and have to almost stop whilst giving way, when I accelerate to move through the oncoming lane, there is a very noticeable pause before it changes down to first which happens very quickly indeed and we shoot forward semi-violently.

Now, I know that some of you are silently screaming "SERVICE THE ****** TRANNY NOW!!!" but will an LR dealer fit the new pan if I provide them with it or will they stick to the party line?

My D3 is still covered by the Allianz warranty and if possible, I would like to get this trans service done by LR preferably, or failing that, under warranty.

Cheers,

Norm

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