slight shudder from auto trans

**bbyer** · 16th March 2011, 01:02 AM

Thank you for the instructions re removal of the plastic pan. I will be giving them to the transmission place that I will get the work done at. They wanted assurances that I knew how to get the plastic pan off.

They know what a ZF transmission is but can only spell the name Land Rover. I figure that there are more 3's parked in front of any watering hole in Alice in the morning than all of Western Canada combined.

The tranny guys can get the metal pan direct from ZF shipped out of Germany, (and it is in stock), per CarverD3's part number. They want about 500 Canadian dollars for it, (about the same in $Aus or $US), and another hundred for shipping. That sounded a bit high so I wondered about that? I was considering asking them to recheck those numbers.

At the same time, their ZF LifeguardFluid6 oil price sounded OK, $600 for a 20 litre pail which seems like enough for a complete fill and then later on a drain and refill.

I note per the attachment below from the ZF website, it calls the Land Rover transmission a 6HP26X. Land Rover in their documents seems to delete the X. I wondered what the difference was - maybe heavy duty or something?

I appreciated the comments re fluid filling. From other fluid filling instruction sheets that I found, I noted that 45C fluid temperature sounds about correct as it seems that the fluid temp should be more than +40C and less than +50C; also and one of those infra red guns sounds like a good idea.

**~Rich~** · 17th March 2011, 10:14 AM

Just been to my Mechanic and got some news re the Auto gearbox oil.
All the local Autobox service shops state that the Penrite oil which was getting approval to pass the ZF specs is now unavailable as they cannot purchase the additive from ZF anymore!
They are using standard Dexron 6 instead!
Of course any vehicle under warranty will get ZF but if not requested for vehicles out of warranty the Dexron 6 will be used.

ZF is tripple the price of the standard Dexron 6.
Be Warned!

**CaverD3** · 17th March 2011, 10:28 AM

And LR OEM ATF is tripple the price of ZF Lifeguard 6. Rich, wasn't Penrite the wrong one they had to change or was it Dexron 6.
Not sure if Dexron 6 complies with ZF specs either?

**~Rich~** · 17th March 2011, 10:45 AM

Originally they had changed my oil to the Penrite one after the oil rep for Penrite had told them that it had passed the ZF spec. Only to latter find out that that was not the case and subsquently drained mine & refilled with the ZF Oil.

The Dexron 6 does not pass the ZF specs!

**brad72** · 17th March 2011, 10:46 AM

my dealer said gearbox oil change is around $500....ouch

**bbyer** · 17th March 2011, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by brad72

my dealer said gearbox oil change is around $500....ouch

Here in Canada, the Land Rover and Jaguar dealers are at times combined. I do not know if it is the same in Australia but suppose it is in some locals.

Apparently the retail pricing of the Jaguar part number LifeguardFluid6 ZF transmission is significantly cheaper than the Land Rover part number LifeguardFluid6 ZF oil and both oils are the same stuff, just different list pricing.

Also the LifeguardFluid6 oil direct from ZF parts is somewhat cheaper again than either the Jag or LR list pricing. The lowest price for the LifeguardFluid6 oil seems to be about $600 / 20 litre pail, ($30.00 / litre).

My understanding is that the ZF 6HP26X automatic in the 3 takes about 13 liters when fully empty. For a mere oil change, about 6 to 8 litres for where the oil filter is not changed - that is the oil pan not removed - in others words, just when the oil pan drain plug is removed.

This means in an ideal world, a 20 litre pail should be enough for a filter change and then a dump and refill a hundred kilometers later.

**Disco4SE** · 17th March 2011, 04:35 PM

Had my 48K service on Tuesday and quizzed the service manager about when & what cost for my auto flush & refill.
He suggested between 80K - 100K depending on how much I tow.
The estimated cost is $1,000.00.
Cheers, Craig

**PCH** · 17th March 2011, 08:33 PM

I had my auto serviced with new A&B pan this week. At 132K Km it was shuddering and delayed in response for the past 10K Km.

It is sweet now and I can feel the difference in the way the D3 just takes off without delay unlike before.

Chris

**Tote** · 17th March 2011, 09:32 PM

Quoted $1700 today for a flush and new pan / filter from the dealer....

Regards,
Tote

**Busman** · 18th March 2011, 07:55 AM

I have done the flush previously, and only made a slight difference.
Our local Gold Coast Dealership have advised that they use an after market kit.
The reason they use this kit is so the next time you have the auto serviced, the pan can be removed without all the issues with moving cross member etc etc.
So initial cost is $1,500

, but after that will be $650.00 for a full auto service.

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About $500 for the metal oil pan kit from ZF?

Jag ZF tranny oil cheaper than Land Rover part number.

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