How can i persuade the wife that we need a D3?

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Originally Posted by gghaggis

But you need to note that the prevalence of cars notably smaller/lighter than a Defender is much greater in the UK than here in Oz. There are more chances of hitting an equivalent-mass vehicle here, so I'd expect the passive and active safety features in the modern 4WDs to have more of an effect on crash statistics.

Goes to show "the old extrapolation from statistics trick" ;)

Cheers,

Gordon

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Good point, however ~85% of defenders sold in the UK are 90s. I would expect that stat is the other way around here. So I would guess that the mass ratio of the average UK defender to the average UK passenger car is about the same as in AU. I expect the trend would be the same - however defender crashes here are probably so infrequent that sufficient data would not be available.

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

Good point, however ~85% of defenders sold in the UK are 90s. I would expect that stat is the other way around here. So I would guess that the mass ratio of the average UK defender to the average UK passenger car is about the same as in AU. I expect the trend would be the same - however defender crashes here are probably so infrequent that sufficient data would not be available.

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No, because European cars are on average smaller and lighter than Aussie cars. Let's just say the Falcon and Commodore wouldn't sell over there.

But it's a moot point - the Defender is nowhere near as safe as the D3/D4, that's just a simple fact. Statistics can, as gg says, be used to prove anything.

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Originally Posted by rmp

No, because European cars are on average smaller and lighter than Aussie cars. Let's just say the Falcon and Commodore wouldn't sell over there.

But it's a moot point - the Defender is nowhere near as safe as the D3/D4, that's just a simple fact. Statistics can, as gg says, be used to prove anything.

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You missed my point - read my post again. UK cars are (slightly) smaller and lighter on average than AU cars, however defenders are ALSO smaller and lighter on average in the UK as well - since most are 90's - which are ~500kg lighter than a 110.

It is by no means a moot point. If you have an accident in the UK, you are just as (un) likely to be injured if you are in a defender than in a disco (or cruiser etc...). That fact is irrefutable.

Now if we separated the stats into high speed crashes or crashes into immovable objects (or heavy rollovers), then I am sure the disco (w airbags etc.) would come out in front. However they must make up a small percentage of accidents statistically.

Yes I was a bit hasty in replying, I see you did indeed account for smaller EU vehicles.

As for the rest, we'll just have to agree to disagree!