Disco 4 V Landcruiser Prado

Sorry gents, have to disagree,

I don't think it's helpful when the same territorry is covered over and over and over again......this was done to death months ago with Grumndriva.

Same 'concerns', little authenticity and it feels like Groundhog Day...I can't keep track of what the issues really are supposed to be, as they change with every post.

When I was about to shell out the best part of $100K, this sort of stuff frustrated me no end.

Nobody is intentionally flaming anybody but....let's keep this real and genuinely informative....good or bad, warts and all!

didn't exactly see any challenging terrain in that video.. lets see who's king when the disco's traction control kicks in on some steep rock climbs:D

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Originally Posted by Tombie2

We also spin off the 200s from the fleet before 150,000km so we don't wear the fuel system replacement costs.

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Hey Tombie I'm gonna play devils advocate here for a moment.

Considering it is best to get rid of the Crusiers before 150k why doesn't the mining company buy some other brand of vehicle like the D4?

I hate to say it but it would seem to me that the mining company has decided even with the 200's short comings that it is still the best large 4x4 vehicle for what they do.

cheers,
Terry

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Originally Posted by roverrescue

I know this is heresy but in my opinion Grumndriva should just buy a low kilometre 1HDFTE sahara 100series and be done with it.

Less fancy options, great diesel, great range, ****es all over a 200series in so many ways AND every cocky up north & out west has one so they must be good ;)

S

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I have heard this advice quite a few times. Instead of buying the 200 Series, buy a 100 Series in good condition.
Cheers, Craig

I have heard this advice quite a few times. Instead of buying the 200 Series, buy a 100 Series in good condition.
Cheers, Craig

Maybe because it is sound advice!!! For a caravan tug the whole front suspension front diff thing is irrelevant - a 1HDFTE 100series will do the job with less upfront cost, less hassle and much much less wastage of Incs bandwith ;)

S

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

Sorry gents, have to disagree,

I don't think it's helpful when the same territorry is covered over and over and over again......this was done to death months ago with Grumndriva.

Same 'concerns', little authenticity and it feels like Groundhog Day...I can't keep track of what the issues really are supposed to be, as they change with every post.

When I was about to shell out the best part of $100K, this sort of stuff frustrated me no end.

Nobody is intentionally flaming anybody but....let's keep this real and genuinely informative....good or bad, warts and all!

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There is an old and in this case relevant saying Celtoid ...it takes two to tango.

If Grumdriva is going over old ground and you and some others see no merit in his comments then why not just ignore him. No one is forcing you or anyone else to get into any debate with anyone.

In fact he didn't start this thread he merely responded to it and then replied to other peoples comments. He then asked several questions and invited everyone to come up a solution so he could consider a D4 and all that happened was he got bagged by various people for it.

I will have a go at trying to come up with a possible solution for his questions and everyone is invited to correct me if I'm wrong.

Terry, I think I read that the 3.0 litre D4 has a lower carrying weight then the 2.7 D4. If that is the case why not consider the 2.7 which if I remember rightly it has been said has an extra 100 kg carrying capacity? Is an extra 100 kg enough?

My understanding is the manufacturers maximum stated carrying capacity of a vehicle is effected by the size of the rims fitted at the factory. From memory a Holden Ute with 17's can carrying quite a lot more then one with 19's.

Having test driven a 2.7 D4 I would have to say it is the nicest 4x4 I have ever driven by far and it is not short on power to say the least. I'm sure the 3.0 litre goes better but so what if you are only doing about 90 kph when towing then why bother with the extra neddies and save a few bucks? A 2.7 version could also get rid of the 19's as well.

Just a thought...

cheers,
Terry

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Hey Tombie I'm gonna play devils advocate here for a moment.

Considering it is best to get rid of the Crusiers before 150k why doesn't the mining company buy some other brand of vehicle like the D4?

It would seem to me the mining company has decided even with the 200's short comings that it is still the best large 4x4 vehicle for what they do.

cheers,
Terry

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Have you seen a D4 TerryO, as in the insider of one?...the leather is easy to clean...but.

We're not even having the same conversation here are we? Do mining companies buy Sahara's with all bells and whistles, as their every-day worker trucks? I don't know...maybe they do!!! If they did then maybe they should consider the D4.!? I suspect, the entry level for a D4 is not quite the same as the entry level LC...

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Originally Posted by TerryO

There is an old and in this case relevant saying Celtoid ...it takes two to tango.

If Grumdriva is going over old ground and you and some others see no merit in his comments then why not just ignore him. No one is forcing you or anyone else to get into any debate with anyone.

In fact he didn't start this thread he merely responded to it and then replied to other peoples comments. He then asked several questions and invited everyone to come up a solution so he could consider a D4 and all that happened was he got bagged by various people for it.

I will have a go at trying to come up with a possible solution for his questions and everyone is invited to correct me if I'm wrong.

Terry, I think I read that the 3.0 litre D4 has a lower carrying weight then the 2.7 D4. If that is the case why not consider the 2.7 which if I remember rightly it has been said has an extra 100 kg carrying capacity?

Having test driven a 2.7 D4 I would have to say it is the nicest 4x4 I have ever driven by far and it is not short on power to say the least. I'm sure the 3.0 litre goes better but so what if you are only doing about 90 kph when towing then why the need for the extra neddies? A 2.7 version would also get rid of the 19's as well.

Just a thought...

cheers,
Terry

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Terry,

Your mate may not have started the thread but it was derailed in an irrelevant instant.

As I said before, it would be great when somebody wants to get to the bottom of myth and rumour that there are facts to depend on. There are lots of people on this site (reading the posts) that would make very bad and expensive decisions based on hearsay and BS if these comments, new or repeated weren't challenged.

Isn't that the whole point of the site, to separate the rubbish from the facts so that people can make informed choices? And then if there are problems, help deal with the real issues, supply advice and help?

That is the point isn't it? I don't see how bringing up the same, previously explained/addressed issues, again and again, benefits anybody.

There are lots of old sayings...some include, if you have nothing to say....

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

Have you seen a D4 TerryO, as in the insider of one?...the leather is easy to clean...but.

We're not even having the same conversation here are we? Do mining companies buy Sahara's with all bells and whistles, as there every-day worker trucks? I don't know...maybe they do!!! If they did then maybe they should consider the D4.!? I suspect, the entry level for a D4 is not quite the same as the entry level LC...

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Come on Celtoid a base line D4 actually comes with cloth seats, most or maybe all of the Aussie ones might come here with the optional leather pack but so what?

If a large mining company put in a decent sized order they would get their D4's with any options or not they wanted no problems at all.

Sorry to say it but I think your being a bit prissy in your comments. I clearly stated that I have driven a D4 and I said it was the nicest 4x4 I have ever driven.
I would like to see all the bells and whistles you speak about that a base model D4 comes with, because the ones I have driven didn't come with many at all, definately not to Sahara spec as you infer.

Anyway you have a nice day and hopefully calm down a level or two.

cheers,
Terry

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Come on Celtoid a base line D4 actually comes with cloth seats, most or maybe all of the Aussie ones might come here with the optional leather pack but so what?

If a large mining company put in a decent sized order they would get their D4's with any options or not they wanted no problems at all.

Sorry to say it but I think your being a bit prissy in your comments. I clearly stated that I have driven a D4 and I said it was the nicest 4x4 I have ever driven.
I would like to see all the bells and whistles you speak about that a base model D4 comes with, because the ones I have driven didn't come with many at all, definately not to Sahara spec as you infer.

Anyway you have a nice day and hopefully calm down a level or two.

cheers,
Terry

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Mate I'm not argueing that if it was do'able they should. I haven't seen a D4 with cloth seats....I thought that ended in the D3...but I hear they have de-specc'ed the MY10's and 11's....so maybe! The bells and whistles of a D4 V's GLX or another LC derivative....really, you can't tell? I admit that my bells and whistles comment was a little misleading but a leather specc'ed GXL...which I've seen plenty of, is not the same as a leather specc'ed D4. The whole cabin is not in the same class. The drive is not in the same class...that's what I mean. Look at the standard safety features, the list is long....that's what I really meant.

But yes LR could take away half of the features of a D4 and make it a fleet or mining spec, but they don't have the capacity to do so....maybe once they start their China operation up....then it might be time to buy a Toyo...hahaha.

Apparently LR don't make Disco utes and twin cabs either, so maybe that would limit them too. But maybe they could work on a jerry can holder....;)

It's back to that old supply and demand issue thou...LR make more money supplying higher specc'ed vehicles. They can't keep up on demand, so how could they meet vast fleet options, with less bottom line? Not saying it's right....but!

I'm sorry Terry, read the threads, I'm far from the only one who is getting peaved with the ill informed...he, says, she says stuff.

I didn't comment for a second on your opinion of a D4....you've obviously seen the light....but you really couldn't be serious with your 'devil's advocate' comment could you?...you've read the threads, you know what I've stated above about LR's build capacity is true......you're stirring the pot...who's being prissy...what's with that Terry?

Useful comment or not? ;)

Oh and BTW, what's this got to do with a D4 and a Prado sliding around in the snow and mud?