Performance chips> Are they worth the money???

Don't get me wrong I still don't understand the high torque figures.

But what you can get out of the dyno is stock vs chip and the percentage increase.

In regards to the RPM, the operator aimed to stop at 400rpm for each run, as that where the red line started - I did ask the question when i was in the room.

Also the dyno machine does a calibration run to 25kph, before each sprint to 110kph. That said I know the Speedo & RPM were spot on by the 'eye'. I was watching the screen and inside the car when the operator was doing the calibration part. Its clever tech!

I dont know the maths behind it all, but i was was impressed watching all the gauges on the screen!

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Originally Posted by 400HPONGAS

and only 2 HP more than the flywheel figure for standard engine .

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This has to be a mistake......surely.

It's my understanding that the official LR figures include parasitics (ie, calculated at the wheels). Might explain some of the variation.

I'll be doing our tests mid-June, and we'll be using the RAC racetrack for the 0-100kph figures. That can then be compared to LR's acceleration figures directly.

And no, I won't have the muddies on the cars! ;)
Cheers,

Gordon

Ive had my BAS remap done for a few weeks now and report it works a treat.

definetly more punch at part throttle, and off the mark acceleration is better.
fuel consumpition is slightly less but not much.

Im happy, and recommend to others

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Originally Posted by 400HPONGAS

Definately "chip" related , its turned your engine into one of them Toyota V8 TTTD jobs , check it hasnt grown another couple of cylinders !!!!!!!!!
PS is a bar like a knob ? How much oil does 1 knob/bar represent ?

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Hi Guys. Just been told about the forum ... hope I can add some value here .... feel free to ask questions about our chip if you have any ...

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Hi 400HPONGAS, Doesn't matter what chip you buy, I would say it is NOT chip related ... if an engine is using oil it will use oil with achip. if it is not using use standard, it will not use oil with a Chip.

Most will run the dyno in this manner when tuning diesels

Run the dyno at say 60km/h and set the dyno to 60 km/h.

This works out RPMs and is how the dyno derives the Nm (or foot pounds as the case maybe) of torque. Without this setup the torque figure is measured as tractive effort and the numbers are really high.

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Originally Posted by 400HPONGAS

Actually Dorko the RPM is not plotted , its a calculation from roller speed . Did you observe him hooking up to the Tacho output ?(always a bit harder on a diesel !)or the OBD plug ?, or doing a digital readout with infrared tach on the Crank ?? and then linking any of that to the Plotter ?
No , the RPM is just a algorithym derived from roller speed . (99% of the time)

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Originally Posted by 400HPONGAS

When you say redline , did you mean the REV LImiter (could. be overide to either the fuel or boost or both)kicks in ?

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We never add RPMs since RPMs and Heat are what kill engines we always aim for good power without compromising engine longevity.

If someone asks for MAX power we can tune for that as well since we have EGT controlled Chips

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Originally Posted by 400HPONGAS

the Torque plot is ludicrous .

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If you would like to see how these chips perform, so that you can see how good the torque numbers are on your own vehicle, please feel free to contact me. I would be happy to help. If the product does not go as good as we say it will, we will gladly give you back your money and you can tell everyone how crap we are ;)

Seriously ... we would love you to try it out. These little Land Rovers are bloody brillient . justin and I were talking about them from the L R he did last week. The blighter has plenty of head room and flog the power gain on most Jap cars. The best Jap car we have done is a D4D Hilux (2008+) and it acheived 72% increase in the rear wheel HPs.

See dyo here https://www.chipit.com.au/wp-content...Hilux-Dyno.jpg . Without exhaust we constantly get 50% out of them as out dealer in QLD found out. https://www.chipit.com.au/wp-content...e-and-Tune.jpg

I know you can fudge duno figures but we don't. We beat the opposition always in any case as we add more boost (air) as well as fuel when we tune. Other plug in piggy back chips on the market just add increase fuel. And they definately dont monitor EGTs and further are more expensive. So for a little Aussie company (these chips are ours not re-badged items) we don't do too bad.

Hope this helps


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Hi Chip It,
Welcome to the site.
Your input & answers will be greatly appreciated as I am sure that there are a few people like myself that are waiting on answers prior proceeding with an upgrade.
Cheers, Craig

"Hi 400HPONGAS, Doesn't matter what chip you buy, I would say it is NOT chip related "
Its allright Mr Chipit I was only pulling his leg , its just a little dig at our unfortunate brothers with the TTD V8 diesels in their Toyotas .
Thanks for clearing up that the Torque figure is not actual engine NM , its Calculated Tractive effort .
The big issue is around these "gains" that are quoted and thrown loosely around.
My experience shows me that usually the biggest gain is building/speccing right in the first place , so your not actually correcting the mistakes you put into yourself.
You have to establish what the standard figures/ performance actually is so you know that your changes/modifications/tuning is actually making the difference or was it the correction of other inherant problems that were there in the first place .
If Landrover quote 600NM and 180KW at whatever RPM for the SDV6 3 litre , I would assume that this is at the flywheel and more than likely without engine parasitics which with air-con ,PWR steer ,Altenator, Idlers , Water pump , who knows what these add up to !
Lets take that 72% gain , how much of that was due to the original bad tune ,bad exhaust , bad turbo , whatever , and how much is attributable to the add-in system ? Sometimes even the changing of the air-filter can make a ****load of difference !!!
Point is , what should the engine do , given that all the standard parameters were met . Then add the performance upgrade , and see the true gain over a standard engine that started in a reasonable state of tune .
So for my old 150000K plus 2.7 TDV6 , that was quoted with 140KW and 450NM new , what could get I expect to see in its standard form , then what would be a reasonable expectation of the add-in and retune ? Its fine to be bandying these 72% and 50% increases around , but it appears that Dorko's car has only picked up something closer to 25% (Which is still nothing to be sneezed at !!!) I would be still happy with 25% , but that has to be 25% better than OEM specs , not 25% better than whatever the car had in the first place. (assuming the car was allready in a reasonable state of tune) .Any chance of doing a good introductory price for us AULRO members ?

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Originally Posted by 400HPONGAS

If Landrover quote 600NM and 180KW at whatever RPM for the SDV6 3 litre , I would assume that this is at the flywheel and more than likely without engine parasitics which with air-con ,PWR steer ,Altenator, Idlers , Water pump , who knows what these add up to !

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No - this was the horsepower battle that was fought in the 70s in Aust - Americans always quotes SAE BHP and was flywheel horsepower with no ancillaries fitted. This was a marketing ploy to compete with Europeans and us who quoted who quoted in DIN BHP which was with all engine mounted ancilliaries.

So the Landrover figures will be DIN with engine ancillaries included.

Garry