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    Quote Originally Posted by roamer View Post
    While we have all the bar experts commenting,
    what about the ECB D4 bar, any better or alloy is alloy


    Cheers Ken
    Just to clarify... Even steel is an alloy

    Its the Aluminium based bars that lack the strength over the steel products...

    IIRC to make a 'similar' product its 2/3 the weight of steel, but requires material twice as thick to make alloy close to the strength of its steel equivalent.

    Would also depend on which aluminium alloy they used to construct the bar.

    For a weight difference of 15-20kg... I'd always go steel... Far less likely to tear or crack, less prone to fatigue....

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    There are various grades of aluminium alloys - some of the 'military grade' specs for armour plating are significantly more resistant to impact (I use these for my underbody plates), but I don't know if any of the commercial bar manufacturers use them, as they are considerably more expensive, and difficult to work with.

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    Gordon

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    Steel has a greater modulus of elasticity, it bends, aluminiun ally will crack.
    When the tree hit mine it bent enough to push the guard onto the tyre. But then returned enough to clear the tyre so I could drive. Alloy bar even of the same strength would have stayed where it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roamer View Post
    what about the ECB D4 bar, any better or alloy is alloy
    I'll let you know if I hit a roo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    I'll let you know if I hit a roo!


    Please don't bother

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    Bother with hitting a roo or with letting you know the result?
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    Bar debate

    I thought about alloy (aluminium), but regardless of what the military do, we are talking about 4wd manufacturers. The steel as I understand is not that much heavier and at the end of the day - you can use thinner guage. I am balancing looks with function. I like the colour coded look personally and think the LR one is honestly pig ulgly. Something for soccer mums with Prados.
    The ARB one is a really nice fit, looks good, and offers good clearance. The LR park sensors, lights, UHF antennas and winch fit seamlessly.
    If you want a winch...I paid top dollar($1900) for a Warn...you can't from what I've read, fit a winch to the LR bar. I was quoted $6000 for the LR one (made by Warn as I recall).
    Still - to each their own...I'm just not into bling. Just getting old I guess!CRW_7844.jpg

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    Gordon, the issue is not entirely material properties between aluminium and steel as it is about design. But having said that I am certain that Al bar manufacturers would use whatever alloy they can get in buk...Most probably 6106 - T6, no different steel bar manufacturers would use A360 steel plate and NB tube??? The military also have 'plastics' that give carbide tooling a touch up... that doesnt mean they get used in milk containers?

    With respect to design:
    Most OEM aluminium bars hug the body panels for whatever reasons.
    This makes them a liability with respect to animal strike. Full stop the end. Soft malleable Al close to panel work WILL cause damage when skip comes out to say tsu tsu tsu?

    Rick would know, he lives in big-badda-boom skip country. Big greays, big swampies and lots of them. I worked in Inverell for a 3 month stint. Drove Inverell Sydney return probably 5 times... 11 roo strikes. In town most vehicles were 4bys of some description. There were steel bars and then bent busted twisted ally bars... plain and simple lesson.

    Steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    Bother with hitting a roo or with letting you know the result?



    Hope you don't hit it, but if you do, ya could let us know how it went


    Cheers Ken

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    [QUOTE=drowell;1485900]...I'm just not into bling. Just getting old I guess




    You have a D4 HSE 4X4, and your not into bling

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