D4 Dies after first service....VERY unhappy camper!

What a great thread... :)

Rob I hope they sort this seriousness out with your D4. These forums the world over sadly have the ability to self degenerate and it's not just the Landy ones... always the ones with humans involved. Personally I picked up the vibe/tone of the original post and was saddened to see the troll type comments come through and seriously hope the fix your D4 properly enough to give you full confidence which is always a difficult thing to reclaim once you know it's been pulled to bits.

I worked a lot at Sale and know how reliable your D4 is going to need to be on the long road out there so I sincerely hope this works out properly for you. Not game to ask which dealer you were using but presume a city based one....

Best cheers.

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Originally Posted by Geedublya

Sounds like it was overfilled with oil at the service.

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Looks like my over the internet diagnosis was correct. Pity the Tech/mech who worked on it wasn't more careful/thorough but it happens.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Kev it was limp home, excess smoke and blown turbos - all turbo issues it seems - that I was referring to. More cases than just on this forum.

Good to see this thread pick up.

Cheers

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Hey mate, they are actually two different things. Limp Home Mode is a self protection system that could occur with just about any major failure. It's designed to stop further damage being caused. So it's a design feature not a failure. However, there appears to be a few cases with the D4 where the protection system has been the problem...as in the software flagged a fault that wasn't there. I presume these will get sorted.

The turbo issues have been well documented and covered in numerous places including this forum.....including my own requirement to have a turbo replaced :mad:. There have been various manifestations of the problem...as you stated, blowing smoke and running rough, through to no obvious symptoms at all (like mine....just a miniscule external leak)...I can't remember reading about any causing Limp Mode....but it's highly likely that the failsafe could get triggered.

As to how many there will be.....I guess as many as there were crap turbo's fitted. There could be thousands....but it's all the same fault.

Do you see what I mean?

It sux that this has happened but it's not right to brand a model or engine as being lame when one faulty part has been fitted to one specific built. At this stage, it seems like it's only been the 2009 built. Fingers crossed.

Cheers,

Kev.

As others have mentioned, I would be deeply suspicious that the "error" in the oil sensor was that it read overfull when the mechanic knew it was fine. Particularly as no error was reported prior to the service...

Lucky (or good design???) that it wasn't worse. And I concur that the dealer and LR need to be held to account for damage that may present in the future. Good luck, and thanks for getting back to us.

Quite a few around here have been psychologically wounded by Toyota drivers :) and the mere suggestion that someone would leave their self-destructing Land Rover and return to an experience of problem-free Toyota motoring stings. Although many of them would only buy old Land Rovers with no electronics at all. I dare say one reason Defender's don't have headlight relays is that Defender owners are suspicious of even that degree of technology.

Mind you the other reason given for sticking with older models is being able to avoid LR dealers...

PS Do check my sig before flaming :)

Cheers Kev. I WANT LR to sort out the turbo issue - the D4 TT is so close to being the duck's nuts (setting aside tyres which has been gone into many times - for many its not a problem of course). They are miles ahead in tech and design compared to other manufacturers, its just tidying up some lose ends now, hopefully.

Cheers

And a $10 dipstick would've picked up the problem before the car even got started..


Cheers Ean

Having worked in mechanic shops for many years I'll disagree with a dipstick not letting it happen.If I had a dollar for every time a componant with a full mark,dipstick,sight glass was overfilled or not filled at all my puma would be painted in gold. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Having worked in mechanic shops for many years I'll disagree with a dipstick not letting it happen.If I had a dollar for every time a componant with a full mark,dipstick,sight glass was overfilled or not filled at all my puma would be painted in gold. Pat

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I would bet the times that an engine was filled or checked and found to be correct level would far outweigh the times they got it wrong..

Personally I would take an engine with a dipstick every time.

You cant put a number to the lack of human attention factor.


Cheers Ean

maybe.... If the electronic sensor was programed to prevent starting in the first place... the scales would be balanced.. between human error and electronic wizadry.:banana:

I would prefer a dip stick to the current system, but wouldn't have your D3 with a dip stick over my D4 3.0 without one.... in a fit.

And if you had one, you put up with not having the dip stick too, like the rest of the happy owners.:D

PS my first one didn't have a dip stick either, and I still bought another D4 3.0:p

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Originally Posted by kenl

maybe.... If the electronic sensor was programed to prevent starting in the first place... the scales would be balanced.. between human error and electronic wizadry.:banana:

I would prefer a dip stick to the current system, but wouldn't have your D3 with a dip stick over my D4 3.0 without one.... in a fit.

And if you had one, you put up with not having the dip stick too, like the rest of the happy owners.:D

PS my first one didn't have a dip stick either, and I still bought another D4 3.0:p

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Fair Call, and you may be right

PS After trying to get a V12 Cat engine to start in the middle of the ocean due to a failed oil level sender,. and the computer not allowing it to start, and not having the override software onboard, believe me its not something you would want on your D4..

Cheers Ean