2013 D4 Information

**Graeme** · 24th November 2012, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by phl

Some specs are puzzling; there is keyless start, but not entry. If the system is already in place for one, it shouldn't be that hard to add the other.

Its all about getting more money for very little extra cost.

**SBD4** · 3rd December 2012, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by TerryO

Having just gone through the exercise of comparing the new diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland to the current D4 the difference in specification is massive.

To get a D4 to the same spec's as a standard Overland it would cost around $50,000 more than an Overland. And the Overland has features like Adaptive cruise control, blind spot warning, electric opening and closing tail gate which you can't even get in a D4.

Plus if you order the 'Adventure pack' for $650 more it comes with full under body aluminium bash plate protection. 18" wheels and lower diff ratio's for off road usage. Also from memory if you compare 0-100 kph times of both 3 litre diesels the new Jeep GC is around 1 second faster than the D4. So it's not slow either. Both can tow 3.5 ton and have 350 kg ball weights.

My point is Land Rover need to be either seriously up specking their various D4 models or looking at making them more affordable otherwise they will lose many sales to the new Jeep in the near future, especially when the Jeep gets an 8 speed box mid year and even more toys to play with standard.
Already Jeep Grand Cherokee sales have gone from selling sweet stuff all before this new model over 12 months ago to way out selling the 200 series Cruiser and is heading towards the number one spot which is owned by the Prado.

The D4 prior to the new Jeep GC was good value and a far superior vehicle compared to the Landcruiser 200 series, but the new Jeep has changed that equation and can't be ignored.

cheers,
Terry

Agree on the level of features for the money. Even the new Mitsu Outlander has ACC. On the bright side, ACC can be fitted:

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - ACC (adaptive Cruise Control) Retrofit

**fender130** · 3rd December 2012, 09:45 PM

Mate of mine has the New Cheap Grand Cheroke. Very good value, heaps of goodies. I found it drives and handles well, probably better than my D3, the ride is not as good nor the prestige.
On the negative side, it has around 30k on the clock and he has experienced,
New gearbox and transfer,
Split thermostat housing,
Leaking power steering fluid,
No remote speaker on his upspec DVD/phone gizmo
Keyless key locked in vehicle,
Countless visits to dealer and a **** load of frustration and inconvenience.

I think I'll stick with the D3.
Price is'nt everything

**TerryO** · 3rd December 2012, 10:18 PM

Out of interest Fender 130 is your mates Grand Cherokee a V8 or the diesel?

Having read various forums from the US it is the six speed auto V8's that are blowing up auto's on a regular basis and having lots of issues.

The new VM diesel fitted Grand Cherokee's have the old Merc five speed fitted that is near unbreakable.

For anyone who is interested in reading about what Australian owners of the new Jeep Grand Cherokee think of their recent purchases have a read of a thread on caravanersforum.com. If is now 125 pages and 2494 posts long and has over 100,000 reads. It gives just about a complete history of the new Jeep from day one of ownership here in Australia right up to now warts and all.

The one funny thing that comes out from reading the thread is for the first 30 or 40 pages all the Toyota Landcrusier owners on the forum, which there are plenty of, just kept on bagging the new Jeep, by about page 50 they gave up and some have now said they are considering buying one.

By the way I am also keeping our D3 for now.

cheers,
Terry

**fender130** · 3rd December 2012, 10:37 PM

It is the diesel. Very nice motor, sporty performance.
I think it was actually the transfer that failed. He does'nt like to talk about these things in great detail.

**Graeme** · 4th December 2012, 05:32 AM

I don't know the various models but a near-new one with CRDI or similar badge was at my place yesterday. The owner slowly picked his way along my bumpy driveway as he left where I just go, albeit with the suspension raised a little. Maybe the vehicle is too new for the driver to use (abuse?) the suspension that much or maybe the driver just doesn't like rough tracks.

**BenD4** · 8th December 2012, 07:44 AM

Had an update from the dealer yesterday. The first of the MY13's are in transit. ETA 16th January.

**phl** · 8th December 2012, 04:29 PM

Waiting on a Jan 13 build date, with March delivery. They expect some MY13 towards end of this month or early next.

Apparently there is an HSE Luxury, with all the fruits of the V8 but no e-diff. Not sure if the dealership has spec'ed these specially, or if they are a new variant. RRP $120+K...

**discotwinturbo** · 8th December 2012, 04:42 PM

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Brett

**Celtoid** · 8th December 2012, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by TerryO

Having just gone through the exercise of comparing the new diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland to the current D4 the difference in specification is massive.

To get a D4 to the same spec's as a standard Overland it would cost around $50,000 more than an Overland. And the Overland has features like Adaptive cruise control, blind spot warning, electric opening and closing tail gate which you can't even get in a D4.

Plus if you order the 'Adventure pack' for $650 more it comes with full under body aluminium bash plate protection. 18" wheels and lower diff ratio's for off road usage. Also from memory if you compare 0-100 kph times of both 3 litre diesels the new Jeep GC is around 1 second faster than the D4. So it's not slow either. Both can tow 3.5 ton and have 350 kg ball weights.

My point is Land Rover need to be either seriously up specking their various D4 models or looking at making them more affordable otherwise they will lose many sales to the new Jeep in the near future, especially when the Jeep gets an 8 speed box mid year and even more toys to play with standard.
Already Jeep Grand Cherokee sales have gone from selling sweet stuff all before this new model over 12 months ago to way out selling the 200 series Cruiser and is heading towards the number one spot which is owned by the Prado.

The D4 prior to the new Jeep GC was good value and a far superior vehicle compared to the Landcruiser 200 series, but the new Jeep has changed that equation and can't be ignored.

cheers,
Terry

I'm wondering about your comments Terry.

I think back to the days of older Jags and BMW, etc, etc. They didn't actually offer a lot of fruit...as in a Calais had just as much. However, when you got in a European car, there was always something about them...I think it affected the human psyche. Probably better known as brand snobbery....

Jap cars and less prestigeous European marques have more bells and whistles than my wife's new Merc.....(same applies to BMW, etc)....yet the more posh (

) cars still sell very, very well. I assume every sale is a massive profit for Merc and others.

I just wonder if LR will need to bow to the sales figures of other manufacturers when they currently could sell more LRs than they can make. I wonder if they bank on certain people feeling that others bought the Jeep 'cause they couldn't afford the Land Rover Discovery 4.

I know the Toyo equation s a bit of a spanner in the works to that arguement but I think they commanded a loyal following and are now screwing them. Maybe it's cause I love my LR but when I looked at my mate's Prado (same year as my D4), his interior just didn't look anywhere near as good. All leather like mine but just not the same. I thought the same about the LC200 I looked over recently. Very nice...but not quite the same.

I remember how incredibly good my D4 looked when I picked it up off the show room but it still had way less to offer than other cheaper cars...in the way of gadgets etc. The catch-cry was....you didn't buy it for the fruit, you bought it because it's a LR and is by far the most awarded 4WD in the world. The inferrance that the other gear was low laying fruit....easy to please type offerings.

This is not my opinion, I'm just speculating.

Another side though...

I recently hired an XC90 for a month in the UK......very nice well appointed car. The D4 **** all over it in performance, smoothness and ride but internally it kicked arse. However, I couldn't help wondering what it would look like inside if I did to it, what I've done to my D4. The Discos look pretty flash but they are pretty durable inside and clean really well...I wonder if that can be said for the others?

Cheers,

Kev.

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