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I have an idea that Jeep & Benz have parted company, & Chrysler is tied up with Fiat these days. Anyway, the ride/steering handling is very un-american. To my mind the Jeep rides better than the Mercedes, but that could be simply the 18"s v the ultra low profile rubber on the Mercedes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barryp
Regards
Max P
Jeep must be better than the D4. Have you noticed how many unrelated ads Jeeps are appearing in lately where it used to be RRc. ;)
The GIO lifetime replacement ad is one of the latest.
That was my feeling too. The sport had the edge on the jeep which had the edge on the merc. The 4 star safety rating and the dodgy head rests in the rear seat of the jeep pushed us to the sport. When you look at what you get for the money the jeep was tempting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tusker
Andrew
We've had our GC for about 5 months now. Can't fault it so far. The diesel is fantastic for towing, Good on road manners. Couple of short offroad trips so far and it goes everywhere the 100 series cruiser would go but easier.
Air suspension is definitely not as good as LR, but its not bad by any means.
Choice for us D4 or GC the GC came in under the Luxury car threshold with all the gadgets that we want.
So, the wife gets the GC and I can now get a Defender 130. :p
Long range tank is already available from Long Range Automotive and gives an additional 75 litres. Should be good for up to 1800 k's between fills.
Yep, Fiat now owns Chrysler, and I think the diesel in the GC is a Fiat motor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tusker
2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee passes German "moose test"
Well maybe the Overland failed the Swedish Moose test But it did not fail the German Moose Test. Do they even have Moose in Germany? ...:o
Above is link to an interesting rebuttal to the claims by the Swedish mag on the Overland failing the Moose Test. It was carried out by a German mag who did similar testing and reckon the Swedes overloaded the Jeep to get those results.
Hmmm! ...bloody Euro's who do you believe? ...:angel:
Cheers,
Terry
This quote below is from cars.com and this poor review is not on its own. Perhaps they still have some problems to iron out! Also notice Jeep have a Grand Cherokee 'Jet' limited edition that is very similar to D4's new "Black Pack" - black; grills, wheels and liftgate. Wonder who is copying who? If nothing else it shows Jeep have LR firmly in their sites!!
"I loved my 2012 Laredo X 4x4 when I first purchased it. But now that it has 8k miles on it the suspension rattles and thumps constantly. There is a humming vibration when accelerating up hills, and my 4x4 systems stopped functioning and had to be towed off the beach with my family in it. All these problems are well documented on the Jeep forums around the internet. There are no fixes for any of these problems either, I still can't take my 4x4 Jeep on the beach (going on over 4 months now since it broke) because it is not capable and Jeep has not released an update."
Think I'll stick with the D4.
Several car makers have done 'Black Packs' HSV did one at the end of 2010 so it's not a unique concept to LR nor were they the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoDavey
Much of the criticism of the new Overland is based on the failed Moose Test, but if it was set up to fail as the other mag has basically said after they did their own tests then maybe most of the criticism is baseless.
Have you actually found any Jeep forums where people are bagging the new GC? if so could you please provide the addresses as I would like to read the comments as I am interested in finding out more about these things, good or bad.
So far I have only found Jeep forums with owners raving on about them being some kind of wonder car compared to previous models.
Like with all forums, one must try and put everything in context, if a potential new D4 LR owner found Aulro for the first time and checked out this section on any average day after reading the headings of the first 20' topics I'd reckon most would run away quickly. People do not tend to start forum topics based on good experiences, rather the opposite, as has been said on here many times before.
cheers,
Terry
Jeep owners, like LR owners are very defensive of their brand.
I have driven the GC (Hemi version) and its nice, but then so is the current Prado... (I drive one daily here on site)
Neither are a patch on the D4 for comfort or capability.
Jeep Forum - Jeep Enthusiast NetworkQuote:
Originally Posted by TerryO
See thread "2012 Transmission problems"
If you are saying that forum threads are started (generally) by negative experiences (like AULRO, as you say) then why are all the Jeep forums you visited so positive? Not sure it makes sense. Still I do agree with you - nothing makes a good story like a negative one! It is just that there are plenty of negative threads on Jeep forums too.
And to clarify, I wasn't saying "Black Packs" were unique to LR. I was just noting that of all the marketing tools/cons at car manufacturers disposal, they chose the same one LR are about to launch. As far as I can tell the JGC is the most direct competition to the LR D4 and RRS. The timing is not by accident.