Is a Jeep Grand Cherokee really better than a D4?

It appears that there will be a Llams for the Jeeps as there is now a Jeep with a working Llams system which only needs some fine tuning for height. It will provide an unlimited and probably higher OR1 because OR1 isn't very high but I don't want to provide unlimited OR2. I doubt that connectors will be obtainable so only hard wired and therefore not nearly as attractive or easy to fit as LRs, but at least one solution. The Llams module uses slightly different electronics to the LR version and also has slightly different programming to support the quite different sensor signal format.

I guess the question that needs to be asked Graeme is will it be easy to take out the Llams unit and reverse the wiring back to standard?

I can't imagine Jeep wold look to kindly on a new Llams fitted GC turning up for a service or warranty issue. Same goes for a modded wiring loom.

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Originally Posted by Disco4SE

The vehicle including all my add ons has cost just under $30K. Not bad considering what I now have.

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That is exceptional value - especially if the car had never been off road before you bought it.:)

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Originally Posted by Stornoway SA

That is exceptional value - especially if the car had never been off road before you bought it.:)

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No, never been off road Stornoway, and only country klm's.

Cheers, Craig

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Originally Posted by TerryO

I guess the question that needs to be asked Graeme is will it be easy to take out the Llams unit and reverse the wiring back to standard?

I can't imagine Jeep wold look to kindly on a new Llams fitted GC turning up for a service or warranty issue. Same goes for a modded wiring loom.

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In this installation the wiring is well hidden with the module no-where in sight. It produces a signal so close to the original when OFF that it is extremely unlikely to be detectable by diagnostics. However it would be quite a task to remove the wiring. Loom connectors would be very desireable for both initial fitment and ease of removal.

Only 1 raised height has been provided. In normal ride height mode the Llams lift is 50mm at the front and 45mm at the rear so 15 mm higher than OR1 without being speed limited, OR1+Llams is 10-15 mm higher than OR2 with OR1 speed limit and OR2+ Llams provides +40 mm above OR2 at the rear before the system faults, seemingly not able to extract any more air from the reservoir to raise the front - a disadvantage of a sealed system. Feedback on the current setup over the next few weeks will be considered before any are offered for sale.

A fault repeatedly occurred above about 20 kph over some very deep pot-holes where front and rear wheels got airborne (as did the passenger!) yet did not fault going quite slowly nor when using just OR1. No faults occurred when balancing across a ditch but each time both front wheels retained at least some weight, albeit very little at times, which might not occur with the back laden for a trip. My suggestion is to use OR1 & OR2 when climbing over rocks but OR1+Llams can be tried for a little more clearance, or OR2+Llams if stuck.

NRH+Llams provides a seemingly stable and generally-accepted safe 45-50mm height increase for outback touring, which is consistant with Llams' primary target use. OR1 height was considered insufficient for such use yet still didn't allow OR2+Llams. OR1+Llams could be useful when crossing water.

My D4/D3 rides the bumps soooo much better! Lesser pot-holes driven at 60 kph in the D4 with Llams at medium are felt as a bit of a rough patch (I do it every time) yet after trying them in the Jeep at the same speed at NRH+Llams, one would never do it again for both the occupants' and the vehicle's sake. However I don't know what the Jeep's tyre pressures were.

Hi all new member. I can say from experience that the jeep still hasn't shaken off its electrical issues. I had to get rid if mine after only 12 months, it was that bad, unbelievable to drive when all was good though. Test driving an my13 tdv6 today, as it looks as though that will be the replacement.

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Originally Posted by TerryO

I guess the question that needs to be asked Graeme is will it be easy to take out the Llams unit and reverse the wiring back to standard?

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A quick to fit plug-in Llams kit for the GC with raised heights of 33mm (OR1) and 50mm is expected to be available in the 2nd quarter of 2014. Consideration is being given to an alternate long harness to allow the suspension control module to be relocated out of the well in the floor, perhaps to under the dash if there's somewhere to mount it.

Hi all, I have only just joined AULRO and as someone that works on both Land Rover and Jeep, this is a really interesting thread. This seems to draw a lot of interest from people here and some of the comments are spot on the money.

My own personal comparison in servicing and repairing both brands I can certainly relate to the comments made.

I'm always comparing that same year for year models and I tend to jump from Jeep to Land Rover and back again depending upon the issue.

My own thoughts...
The Jeep Grand Cherokee from 2006 on (the K series Jeeps) are a different breed of vehicle and are way ahead of Jeeps of old for design, engineering and build quality. Cheap Jeep feel interior is the norm, especially on base models. The Merc engine first used in the WH and the early WK (the rest of the world call the models a WK, WK2) are a great engine and I see ones with over 400,000kms and still running as smooth as ever. The new VM Motori turbo diesel V6 is another step forward again over the old Merc engine. The buy price on the Grand Cherokee is hard to go past, its like getting a free 4WD when you buy a set of steak knives!!! ring now!!! And yes Chrysler is pretty well owned by Fiat, Fiat also jointly own VM Motori, with GM from memory.

Land Rover D3, RRS 2006 on, I cant say I'm a great fan of Ford engines, the V6 turbo diesels run smooth and I see a few that are now pushing 300,000kms still going strong. I spose over the years Ive got used to the Ford quirks that have found there way into Land Rovers. Thats not to say Jaguar Land Rover are strangers to "quirks" in their models, as no doubt plenty here know. As a 4WD compare year for year and the Land Rovers will generally walk all over the Jeep off road and then some or any other 4WD for that matter. The design, chassis and suspension engineering and dynamics have always been brilliant in a Land Rover. But I hate to say it, I probably have more issues with the newer generation of Land Rovers than I do with the new generation of Jeeps.

The Jeep Grand Cherokee offers unreal value for money, a lot of 4WD for your money! but saying that, Id have a 2006 2.7TD RRS over a new 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee anyday!!

That video is crazy, thats going pretty dam hard in a 4WD, is there a video of a D3 or RRS doing the same test, now I would like to see that!!

Regards
Daz

Just went from late 11 gc limited to disco my 13

Night and day. Jeep is a piece of poor quality, many many issues with it. Disco is driving on a cloud.

Daks99... You didn't get a refund too did you?