What is wrong with the D3/D4?

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

My understanding from what the person said is that the importer replaced 10 under warranty but has now refused any more.
Regards Philip A

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Seriously?

Come on....what was he doing to them?

The Wranglers mine came with were crap (in relative terms) but when new they had been on gravel, rocks, sand and mud with no issue beyond their tread depth/style. Far from the toughest tyre in the world but they are pretty much a road tyre ..... but driven on with a bit of CDF they were OK, you'd have to be trying to break them to get that many failures.

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

Seriously?

Come on....what was he doing to them?

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15PSI @ 80km/h over sharp rocks...

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Originally Posted by SBD4

15PSI @ 80km/h over sharp rocks...

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Mmmm.....like I said.....:D

Okay, thanks for all the replies. Some good, some bad, but I note that practically all the bad reports are third person stories, and the good ones are from owners. I still am surprised that there were so few on the desert roads, but that doesn't seem to be due to any lacking in the vehicle. I will try mine out one day. If it handles the rough tracks as well as the Oka does, I will be very pleased.

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Okay, thanks for all the replies. Some good, some bad, but I note that
practically all the bad reports are third person stories

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Of Course!!!! The "halo effect" will prevent any owner from admitting to himself that he has made a bad decision. Bad reports from third person experience means that the onlookers benefit from the misfortune of the happy owners and do not buy. This is a general comment not specifically about D3 D4.

This "fable" that Toyotas are just as unreliable I think is dreaming. How many Toyotas are on the road compared to D4s. In Karratha alone there would be thousands of Toyotas vs maybe 10 D3 D4s. And Toyotas are the 4x4 of choice for a large percentage of the touring population. Just have a look in a caravan park in the tropics.
Again thirds person , a good friend had a LC80 . At 165,000KK and 12 or so years he had replaced the radiator and that is all. He sold it and bought a Terracan on my recommendation and has had it about 5 years now with NO problems.
How many d3 D4 owners have never had a problem with their car?

How come Land Rover consistently rates among the most unreliable cars in JD Power surveys?
Why do mechanics in the outback say to you when you go to them." Land Rover eh? They don't last out here" Mataranka mechanic who works on everything but of course mainly Toyota.

I was re reading an LRO last night and there was a big article on what to look for buying a Discovery D1, D2 , D3 second hand and they trotted out all the known problems plus a few I hadn't heard of like sunroof rails cracking, and made the comment that LR had introduced great technology that was immature and caused owners grief.

Regards Philip A

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Of Course!!!! The "halo effect" will prevent any owner from admitting to himself that he has made a bad decision. Bad reports from third person experience means that the onlookers benefit from the misfortune of the happy owners and do not buy. This is a general comment not specifically about D3 D4.

This "fable" that Toyotas are just as unreliable I think is dreaming. How many Toyotas are on the road compared to D4s. In Karratha alone there would be thousands of Toyotas vs maybe 10 D3 D4s. And Toyotas are the 4x4 of choice for a large percentage of the touring population. Just have a look in a caravan park in the tropics.
Again thirds person , a good friend had a LC80 . At 165,000KK and 12 or so years he had replaced the radiator and that is all. He sold it and bought a Terracan on my recommendation and has had it about 5 years now with NO problems.
How many d3 D4 owners have never had a problem with their car?

How come Land Rover consistently rates among the most unreliable cars in JD Power surveys?
Why do mechanics in the outback say to you when you go to them." Land Rover eh? They don't last out here" Mataranka mechanic who works on everything but of course mainly Toyota.

I was re reading an LRO last night and there was a big article on what to look for buying a Discovery D1, D2 , D3 second hand and they trotted out all the known problems plus a few I hadn't heard of like sunroof rails cracking, and made the comment that LR had introduced great technology that was immature and caused owners grief.

Regards Philip A

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Sounds like you're on the wrong forum!!!

Baz.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Of Course!!!! The "halo effect" will prevent any owner from admitting to himself that he has made a bad decision. Bad reports from third person experience means that the onlookers benefit from the misfortune of the happy owners and do not buy. This is a general comment not specifically about D3 D4.

This "fable" that Toyotas are just as unreliable I think is dreaming. How many Toyotas are on the road compared to D4s. In Karratha alone there would be thousands of Toyotas vs maybe 10 D3 D4s. And Toyotas are the 4x4 of choice for a large percentage of the touring population. Just have a look in a caravan park in the tropics.
Again thirds person , a good friend had a LC80 . At 165,000KK and 12 or so years he had replaced the radiator and that is all. He sold it and bought a Terracan on my recommendation and has had it about 5 years now with NO problems.
How many d3 D4 owners have never had a problem with their car?

How come Land Rover consistently rates among the most unreliable cars in JD Power surveys?
Why do mechanics in the outback say to you when you go to them." Land Rover eh? They don't last out here" Mataranka mechanic who works on everything but of course mainly Toyota.

I was re reading an LRO last night and there was a big article on what to look for buying a Discovery D1, D2 , D3 second hand and they trotted out all the known problems plus a few I hadn't heard of like sunroof rails cracking, and made the comment that LR had introduced great technology that was immature and caused owners grief.

Regards Philip A

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Give it a rest mate.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Of Course!!!! The "halo effect" will prevent any owner from admitting to himself that he has made a bad decision. Bad reports from third person experience means that the onlookers benefit from the misfortune of the happy owners and do not buy.

Regards Philip A

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Or it could mean that the third persons are trying to justify their own purchase of some fu-man-chu buzz bomb, while the owners simply rejoice in owning an enjoyable vehicle.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

rare as hens teeth they are.

ive only seen 1 advertised.


still doesnt change the fact its ugly

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I like ugly if that is what they are.
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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Of Course!!!! The "halo effect" will prevent any owner from admitting to himself that he has made a bad decision.......

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Or, and this is a really wild and out there theory, they genuinely do enjoy driving their vehicle, and considers it superior to others, despite the time the intercooler pipe split (insert other breakdown as appropriate)