Thread: ARB Airlockers for D3/D4

Having driven D1's with cdl locked I deep soft sand and D2 with cdl and etc working I know which I prefer too. Getting going from stationary in cuttings with 1.5 tonn on the back the cdl and etc conspire to get you out easier than no etc. And yes as redback says lighter the better. My brothers bare county with cheesecutters even at road psi is unstoppable in sand.

Cheers

Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

TerryO,

What I'm saying old man, is that I've learnt off someone taught by Land Rover, along with my own experience.

I'm an adult too, so you can shove that up your wrinkly old arse.

Time to edit my username... It's a bit outdated.

And Paul, please tell me how I'm wrong, I didn't see you standing there watching.

Sorry my young friend...

But this comment just goes to demonstrate that whilst in the eyes of the law you are an adult; you are still very immature

It all comes with time, appreciate the extra experience of older wisdom, add your own individual flair to it and you will go far.


On the topic of TC etc in sand - one has no need to override the computer - one needs to work with the technology, not against it - just as driving a car requires a different operating style to driving an Articulated Semi trailer.


Oh, and yes - I will take my $80k D4 anywhere I would take the older vehicles, often easier, and with greater faith in its reliability and capability.

My D2 actually weighs more than my D4 and the added wheel base of the D4 often improves the offroad experience.

In sand, both vehicles do extremely well.

Cheers

It is not well documented that TC doesn't like sand.

Read again, or as Redback says LiSTEN!

It is well documented that PEOPLE have trouble in Sand, and happen to be in TC equipped vehicles.

Due to the PEOPLE not knowing what to do correctly, they often do not set the vehicle up correctly (tyre pressures etc) and combined with incorrect driving technique then get themselves into strife.

My Father never offroaded in anything without TC, so I taught him how to operate the vehicle accordingly.
He has never had an issue. Because he drives to suit the vehicles operating parameters.

He took a while to get onboard with the newer tech in his D3, but now he loves it.


Just like a pilot getting ready to fly - a quick check list is all you need

Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

Nope, never said that, I love traction control, all I said is that in some situations it has it's downfalls, it's fairly well documented that it doesn't like sand.

So point the way to the documentation that shows this - not 'my mate said' or 'my Dad said' - real proven documentation that shows TC doesn't work in the sand - NOT documentation saying someone got stuck in the sand in a TC equipped car that didn't know or understand the technology. Love to see it.

Regarding various personal comments in this thread, in reality it was me who antagonised Mr LR jnr first up with my comments, which while they made me feel good weren't in good taste in the first place.

So I have no issues with his response to me as I got back what I deserved.

If I can offer some advice though Jnr, constantly telling everyone nearly every time you have a debate on anything to do with Land Rovers that your dad is Land Rover trained so you know what your talking about can become very irksome. Relay your own hard learned experiences and maybe stop mentioning your dad even though I'm sure he knows heaps.

I would please ask everyone that any debate from here on in if it could just relate to the topic at hand, which is a good topic to discuss in my opinion.

Thank you. ...

Hmm having driven my old Classic on beach (Noosa North Shore + Fraser Island etc) for 13 years, plus mates Suzuki Jimmys, 60 series cruiser, my 100 series cruiser for 8 years, my D1 disco for two year, then I took my TDV8 My2010 Sport up the beach. On 20"s with road tires. Guess what it still worked just fine. I used all the tools in it's impressive arsenal, the only downfall is that I think Llam's or GOE rods really are needed as the lowering all time once 40kms is exceeded is a PITA. Plus sand inside the rims plays havoc with wheel balance. We pulled a D4 out that was stuck, guy had not disengaged DSC, was not in sand mode, and did not drive for the conditions. Did we get stuck, yes, but deliberately seeing how far we could get with the tires as they were. The answer was a very long way. I know for sure that with tire pressure reduced and or different rubber, LLams, then the car would have been a weapon on sand. Did the 70 series cruiser traveling with us with center diff locked get stuck and we drove past them? Yep. We passed one other RRS TDV8 on 19's with reduced pressure. Owner commented that it was best car he had ever driven on the beach, and he had driven a lot.

Rang up ARB. Front locker is about $1000 fitted, rear might be available in November 2013 and about $1200 fitted.

I have trouble getting stuck now with 17 inch muddies on so I will probably not be putting my winch in total retirement with a rear locker.

If/when I need to update my D3 to a D4 with tire size restrictions caused by bigger brakes which stop good 17 inch Mud tires, an ARB rear locker will be an option I consider if not factory fitted.

Originally Posted by weakestlink

Rang up ARB. Front locker is about $1000 fitted, rear might be available in November 2013 and about $1200 fitted.

I have trouble getting stuck now with 17 inch muddies on so I will probably not be putting my winch in total retirement with a rear locker.

If/when I need to update my D3 to a D4 with tire size restrictions caused by bigger brakes which stop good 17 inch Mud tires, an ARB rear locker will be an option I consider if not factory fitted.

Those prices are fitted? That seems very cheap!