Thread: Beadbreaker question

Originally Posted by wbowner

As to be a new D4 owner I am taking stock of equipment I need and have already.

My latest investigation is into the set of R&R Beadbreakers I bought for my pajero. Never used luckily.

What I found is that they need a few additions to cater for the LR 19" alloys.

It seems the beads on LR tyres are very difficult to break.

Is this still true for new LR tyres?

Has anyone used the R&Rs on 19" D4 tyres.?

Rich

Yes I have on a mates RRS, it took me 2hrs to get the tyre off the rim, bending the R&R Beadbreaker wrecking his rim and tyre in the procees(turned out the tyre was stuffed anyway) and I had help from 2 other people to do it.

You need the heavy duty R&R Beadbreaker with the extra attachment(this is used with ATV rims also) the owner of R&R wont sell the attachment unless you have the heavy duty R&R.

Tyrepliers truck model is also used for LR rims, the standard tyrepliers bend also.

The factory beadlock on D3/D4/RRS rims are very good.

Here's the attachment, superfoot,
Super Foot only to be used on the BB (old model) primarily to push further in on the tyre bead before pushing down. For rims with extra deep safeties such as alloy Rover rims & ATVs. It also increases the depth of push for extra stubborn tyres.


This is the kit, LD Pack $139


Alloy rim rover adaptor kit for BBHD.

Includes specific ictorial instructions. All components available separately.
Baz.

Originally Posted by Redback

Yes I have on a mates RRS, it took me 2hrs to get the tyre off the rim, bending the R&R Beadbreaker wrecking his rim and tyre in the procees(turned out the tyre was stuffed anyway) and I had help from 2 other people to do it.

You need the heavy duty R&R Beadbreaker with the extra attachment(this is used with ATV rims also) the owner of R&R wont sell the attachment unless you have the heavy duty R&R.

Tyrepliers truck model is also used for LR rims, the standard tyrepliers bend also.

The factory beadlock on D3/D4/RRS rims are very good.

Here's the attachment, superfoot,
Super Foot only to be used on the BB (old model) primarily to push further in on the tyre bead before pushing down. For rims with extra deep safeties such as alloy Rover rims & ATVs. It also increases the depth of push for extra stubborn tyres.


This is the kit, LD Pack $139


Alloy rim rover adaptor kit for BBHD.

Includes specific ictorial instructions. All components available separately.
Baz.

Baz
I think you are referring to the hub adapter being required.
I have contacted them and they reckon the kit I have would be ok, even if not the heavy duty one. I am unsure which one it is.

Many Thanks for reply,
Richard

Sorry Baz,
The pics did not appear on my ipad before I replied.

I think there is a new set up option using the hub adapter.

It does make it easier. In the set up I have and what you showed you have to pull the thing apart for every uses as it goes through the bolt holes. Withe the hub adapter you don't have to. They have a demo on using it

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ozUNbW5o4g]R&R Beadbreaker & Tyre Refitting Tool Hub adapter for aluminium rims with no off set - YouTube[/ame]


Richard

So why would you need a beadbreaker for a 19 inch tubeless tyre?

The overwhelming odds are that you could fix a fixable puncture with plugs and that any bigger than plug fixable will see the tyre destroyed. I noted that the bloke with the D4 who did 11 tyres ( 18 inch on special rims) on the way to Darwin found that just about all the tyres were damaged inside from rim strike.

Unless you plan to travel with an unmounted tyre, IMHO a bead breaker is just extra weight.
There are plenty of tyre fitters in the bush including William Creek ,on the GR road there are several, many on Cape York even at the aboriginal communities on the Canning.
The problem is getting the tyres. Even the bloke with the 130 on the Canning went to a community for tyre changes.
I bought a bead breaker in 1982 and have never used it( partly because it would destroy an alloy rim, not tyrepliers)
Regards Philip A

Originally Posted by PhilipA

So why would you need a beadbreaker for a 19 inch tubeless tyre?

The overwhelming odds are that you could fix a fixable puncture with plugs and that any bigger than plug fixable will see the tyre destroyed. I noted that the bloke with the D4 who did 11 tyres ( 18 inch on special rims) on the way to Darwin found that just about all the tyres were damaged inside from rim strike.

Unless you plan to travel with an unmounted tyre, IMHO a bead breaker is just extra weight.
There are plenty of tyre fitters in the bush including William Creek ,on the GR road there are several, many on Cape York even at the aboriginal communities on the Canning.
The problem is getting the tyres. Even the bloke with the 130 on the Canning went to a community for tyre changes.
I bought a bead breaker in 1982 and have never used it( partly because it would destroy an alloy rim, not tyrepliers)
Regards Philip A

Phillip,
You are right in one sense.
I have the idea of just taking an additional tyre without a rim so that if the tyre is destroyed then you could replace it if required.

I agree if some one around I would go there first. This is a last resort.

Richard

Originally Posted by wbowner

Sorry Baz,
The pics did not appear on my ipad before I replied.

I think there is a new set up option using the hub adapter.

It does make it easier. In the set up I have and what you showed you have to pull the thing apart for every uses as it goes through the bolt holes. Withe the hub adapter you don't have to. They have a demo on using it

R&R Beadbreaker & Tyre Refitting Tool Hub adapter for aluminium rims with no off set - YouTube


Richard

No that is for rims(Jap 4wd) with no centre hole, the kit I put up is for Land Rover alloys and ATVs that have a deep back space, but I guess that hub adapter may work also, but you need the extra height for leverage on the front face of the rim, and that's what the super foot is for.

It is really hard it is to break the bead on a LR alloy, I wanted to take a carcus away instead of an extra rim and tyre, so as a practice before we did the Cape Trip, I tried to do one of my old Discovery 2 rims, firstly I tried a hi-lift and the weight of the car, all I did was jack the car up, so then I thought maybe a bottle jack, nah, then I tried the R&R, re-bending the part you screw down and not being able to break the bead and scoring the rim in the process, eventually I gave up.

Now I'm not saying it can't be done, because I watched Blknightaus(Dave) take Anthony's (Icefyre) tyre off his D2 at Normanton on the trip using the truck Tyrepliers, and let me tell ya it took some effort.

You did mention you had a Rover when talking to the R&R guy??

Baz.

Originally Posted by Redback

No that is for rims(Jap 4wd) with no centre hole, the kit I put up is for Land Rover alloys and ATVs that have a deep back space, but I guess that hub adapter may work also, but you need the extra height for leverage on the front face of the rim, and that's what the super foot is for.

It is really hard it is to break the bead on a LR alloy, I wanted to take a carcus away instead of an extra rim and tyre, so as a practice before we did the Cape Trip, I tried to do one of my old Discovery 2 rims, firstly I tried a hi-lift and the weight of the car, all I did was jack the car up, so then I thought maybe a bottle jack, nah, then I tried the R&R, re-bending the part you screw down and not being able to break the bead and scoring the rim in the process, eventually I gave up.

Now I'm not saying it can't be done, because I watched Blknightaus(Dave) take Anthony's (Icefyre) tyre off his D2 at Normanton on the trip using the truck Tyrepliers, and let me tell ya it took some effort.

You did mention you had a Rover when talking to the R&R guy??

Baz.

Baz,
Yep I did. He reckons it would work with the hub adapter, more money.

Here is an extract of reply email

"In the past people have had cases where they have bent the rod or damaged the stud hole in the rim because of the extra thickness & only 12mm (paj) ½’ (rover) Stud holes not much room for give so as to get the best angle to pull.
The Hub anchor adaptor is much better option & will be required on most vehicles in the future."

Richard

Hope you knew you have to break the bead where the valve is on landrover alloy rims otherwise it is near impossible