ENGINE SYSTEMS FAULT

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Originally Posted by jonesy63

In my experience, dealers will typically only install updates/TSBs where either: 1) the customer complains about a problem; or 2) if the update/TSBs are to close out issues related to a recall.

Note that the items you quoted were not recalls. Recalls are listed here:
Land rover

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This seems consistent with my experience.
To answer all the various questions .. (willem) I don't think many people would argue that Toyotas are more reliable than LRs. And yes, having driven a Prado before buying my D4, they are a lesser car. That being said, I have spoken to many people who wouldn't take a Disco into remote areas.

After this experience (and a few others), I believe that the way LR handles public relations may exacebate some problems. I'll reserve final judgement until they reply to my email.

Cheers all, thanks for the heads-up re topix.

Had a 150 Prado after my Discovery 3.

Sold it after 4 months and bought a D4.

Sooo, ENGINE SYSTEMS FAULT, according to my local dealer is a fault you cannot install the software update for until it actually happens. If you look at the internet, almost all ESFs occur while the car is towing.

What's going on??

Ah, your closest dealer! Go elsewhere.

Edit: I drove past them to MLR in Melbourne to get proper service.

This has just happened to me "Engin Systems Fault" and if it is a software issue that has caused this and put my car into what seems to be limp home mode(complete loss of power), I will be very upset.
This sort of thing will make me consider an "lesser Toyota" that gets me from A to B when I need it to!
It's pretty embarrassing telling your friends you can't go away for the weekend because my 3 year old car with only 35k kms on the clock is broken down. Dealer closes at 12 today as it's sat. I called at 10 to, to see if they'd stay back to look at it but they wouldn't have to bring it Monday...
Guess it's better it happened here in Perth prior to heading south in this 44 degree heat with 3 kids under 6 that would have been very uncomfortable.

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Originally Posted by MartyJB

This has just happened to me "Engin Systems Fault" and if it is a software issue that has caused this and put my car into what seems to be limp home mode(complete loss of power), I will be very upset.
This sort of thing will make me consider an "lesser Toyota" that gets me from A to B when I need it to!
It's pretty embarrassing telling your friends you can't go away for the weekend because my 3 year old car with only 35k kms on the clock is broken down. Dealer closes at 12 today as it's sat. I called at 10 to, to see if they'd stay back to look at it but they wouldn't have to bring it Monday...
Guess it's better it happened here in Perth prior to heading south in this 44 degree heat with 3 kids under 6 that would have been very uncomfortable.

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I appreciate the frustration, but I have to say that if you expect Toyotas never to have similar problems you're dreaming! I have been around long enough to know that all complex machines have problems. Toyotas are no exceptions! Neither are Land Rovers, Nissans, Rolls Royce, or anything else, in spite of what the various fan boys would have you believe.


I can tell you about a certain Toyota RAV4 that I am involved with right now ... but I won't bore you.


Willem

A different engine fault can occur with the 3.0 when the secondary turbo inlet isolation valve gets a build-up of dirt in its external linkages causing the valve to not open smoothly. The sympton is that of a sticky throttle when the 2nd turbo should be starting to be used that eventually results in limp-home mode when it gets bad enough. Its quite easily remedied and there are a couple of threads relating to the subject, if only I could find them.

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Originally Posted by Graeme

A different engine fault can occur with the 3.0 when the secondary turbo inlet isolation valve gets a build-up of dirt in its external linkages causing the valve to not open smoothly. The sympton is that of a sticky throttle when the 2nd turbo should be starting to be used that eventually results in limp-home mode when it gets bad enough. Its quite easily remedied and there are a couple of threads relating to the subject, if only I could find them.

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Tried to explain this to a dealer in WA but was told if no fault codes then there was nothing wrong. I am now 2 days away from home after putting up with my problem for the last 3 months and hope i get home in one piece. I am sure my purchasing dealer will have it sorted in no time.

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Originally Posted by rifi1

Tried to explain this to a dealer in WA but was told if no fault codes then there was nothing wrong.

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Its a great attitude, practiced by people who know nothing about the engines so rely solely on fault codes - been on the receiving end with my 99 TD5 D2.
When the stickyness gets bad enough several fault codes are stored but in the meantime you're on your own.

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Originally Posted by Graeme

Its a great attitude, practiced by people who know nothing about the engines so rely solely on fault codes - been on the receiving end with my 99 TD5 D2.
When the stickyness gets bad enough several fault codes are stored but in the meantime you're on your own.

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So i have discovered. Service manager basically told me not to believe everything you read on the internet and was not interested in what i had to say.