Disco 4 Aftermarket Xenon Lights installation

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Originally Posted by outasight

Hi guys, long time no speak on here!

I have a non-HID 2011 D4 SE which I fitted a Super Cheap Auto H7 HID kit to the low beams last year. There had been zero problems with anything until one light started turning off at random and then a week later the other one started!
The lights would always come back on immediately with a simple off/on of the switch.

I strongly suspect the bulbs as minor bumps seemed to trigger the faults. Super Cheap swapped the system over under warranty & what I noticed was whiter/brighter light output with the replacement setup in. Again, with this & the cloudy discolouration of the bulbs - I suspect the bulbs them selves.

A few observations of mine relating to comments throughout here are ...
These Super Cheap ones also "flash" to fire up(start), and I also understand this is just the requirement to "ignite" the gas.(ie. they will ALL do this).
I previously had a bi-zenon Subaru Liberty where they got to full brightness quicker, and I think the better quality units will, but it's a small sacrifice for low beam units. These Super Cheap ones can be slow when very cold.
Colour temperature is a product of a light's wavelength, and lower temperature(more towards yellow)= shorter wavelength which = better penetration of air/atmosphere. This is better for distance light & vision. Get 4300k which is closest to daylight. I got a 35W kit which I find 100% adequate for low beam, a 55W may be too dazzling for other cars AND you!!!

The Subaru's washers worked the same as my ones do & always have - a wash every so many windscreen washes, and that must meet ADRs. I also have to assume it's to do with diffraction through a dirty headlight potentially causing dangerous glare.

Good luck with all the other experimenting guys!

Les.

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I'd be looking at the earth and or connections for the HIDs to the old connector, I had this EXACT issue on my old D2, turned out to be a bad(loose) earth.

Baz.

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Originally Posted by Epic pooh

Redback, RACQ in one of their info sheets on HID's claim that ADR 13 requires HID fitted vehicles to have a light leveling system and headlamp washers to reduce the risk of 'dazzling' other drivers; they state that on this basis most HID conversions are non-ADR compliantn (no leveling or no washers or both). A random look at other sources seem to confirm that point of view. That seems not to be the case with EAS equipped Discos, as (from comments here) it appears all have headlamp washers and self leveling systems. I'm no expert, just what I've read, confusing topic/issue really, glad mine had them from the factory ! Cheers, Mick :)

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Yes it is confusing, but interesting too, I don't understand it myself, considering they are only fitted for the reason of de-fogging/de-icing, Volvo (and a couple of others)went with wipers as well at one stage.

As far as I'm aware, the NSW regs are different, requiring only a self levelling system (ie) suspension or headlights, I looked into this when I had my D2, although my D2 was illegal, if I had the SLS system of the D2 I would not have been.

I'm also glad my D4 was fitted from the factory:D

Baz.

Hi All,


So I did it, I finally got the chance to experiment with a set of Bi-Xenon headlights for my MY13 SE D4, which came with Halogen lights.


I stopped looking at this ages ago and was never convinced one way or the other that the outcome would/wouldn't work. I just wasn't going to take the risk of buying some very expensive bits of kit to then find I couldn't get them to work.


So, having now been given access to a set of Xenon locally and seeing them working in another MY13 SE, I can now unequivocally answer the question regarding the CCF and the part it plays in these lights.


The Bi-Xenon DO-NOT function correctly in my car. They are definitely NOT plug and play.


When selected, the Xenon part of the light starts up and then shuts down within a second or so. Everything else functions as normal.


After a bit of playing around I could get the lights to stay on, so they definitely have the ability to work properly in my car. This involved turning the lights off .... testing the blinkers, testing the parkers, testing the high beam before trying the full headlight. One of these combos worked and the Xenon part stayed lit and functioned normally with high beam. You could then turn the lights off and on and they would continue to work as they should.


However, turn off the engine, lock the car ... and game over Rover. Everything reset itself to the not working properly situation.


So the long and the short. They can work in a Halogen supplied car but something is not right. I'm assuming it's a CCF setting.


The last time I talked to LR about this, nobody they knew had changed over, so they were unsure of the outcome. I'm hoping over a year later that they now know how to change the CCF.


Cheers,


Kev.

I have factory Bi Xenons.
On low beam they must be bright,constantly get flashed,only to get a return burst of hi-beam/fyrlyts,**** them!!!!
Have even been flashed early in the morning when the DRLs are running as the electronics say I shouldnt need my headlights,same story suck a burst of this!!!!!!
Andrew

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

So the long and the short. They can work in a Halogen supplied car but something is not right. I'm assuming it's a CCF setting.

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There are possibly two settings that need to be changed in the CCF.


Headlights Type = Gas discharge lights with auto adjuster


Xenon Head Lights = Fitted


If you can get your CCF read or an "As Built" CCF, check against these two values.

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Originally Posted by rufusking

There are possibly two settings that need to be changed in the CCF.


Headlights Type = Gas discharge lights with auto adjuster


Xenon Head Lights = Fitted


If you can get your CCF read or an "As Built" CCF, check against these two values.

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OK mate, thanks for that.

First port of call is LR themselves and then plan B is a mate of a mate with a device .... of course that means purchasing a VIN License. :angry:

Cheers.

Hi Guys,


Had to give up on the experiment.


I talked to several independents and they were all willing to try (on an hourly rate of course :D) to get the Bi-Xenon's working but none had ever done it before. I went with an independent that sounded a bit more knowledgeable in the CCF area and although their device recognised my car (by VIN Number) it could not even access files associated with the lights. $50 gone :(.


LR kindly offered to try and didn't charge me for the privilege but did once again caveat that they had never done it before. Their computer allowed their Tech to see that some changes had been attempted (even though I didn't mention it), so they reloaded the CCF software and started from scratch. They easily found the Xenon Fitted selection but couldn't find anything else related to that. Enabling this function still didn't produce a consistent outcome.


Nobody I have talked to can say/prove that there are or aren't any hardware differences between a Halogen and Xenon D4 (other than the lights, which come with shutters, motors and Ballast, etc., all in one module). So it left me in limbo.


The last option was a mate of a mate with a device .... but I'd have to pay $150 to get my VIN License/Code from the UK, which would put me $200 out of pocked on top of the cost of the lights ..... with no guarantee of success.


I folded .... :angry:

Still got the lights?

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Still got the lights?

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Nah, I had them on lone from a mate to see if I could get going.

I gave them back and he sold them on.