Weighed today

Just weighed the D4, was interested to see how the V8 measured up against the diesel D4's.

Other than the slightly larger Nitto A/T's its standard, so maybe a couple of kilo's more per tyre but that's only a guess at this stage. So with a full to the brim tank it weighed 2,660 kilo's. Which I guess means its empty weight is about 2,580 kilo or so.

The manual says the V8 is 2548 kilo (from memory) so unless the Nitto's are collectively around 30 kilos more then the Pirelli's then the manual isn't correct.

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Originally Posted by Meken

Is the trailer 3.5 t max stated elsewhere in the book?

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I've got on page 70
Maximum permissible towing weights
unbraked trailers: 750kg (1650 lbs)
trailers with over run brakes: 3500kg (4400 lbs)
nose weight - Aust only: 350kg

Interestingly below that is
Note: When towing, the maximum permissible Gross vehicle Weight can be increased by a maximum of 100kg (220lbs) provided that the road speed is limited to 100km/h (60mph)

If I'm towing, I'm generally not doing more than 100km/h, so I can now include the kids with a GVM of 3600kg!!! Woo Hoo

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Just weighed the D4, was interested to see how the V8 measured up against the diesel D4's.

Other than the slightly larger Nitto A/T's its standard, so maybe a couple of kilo's more per tyre but that's only a guess at this stage. So with a full to the brim tank it weighed 2,660 kilo's. Which I guess means its empty weight is about 2,580 kilo or so.

The manual says the V8 is 2548 kilo (from memory) so unless the Nitto's are collectively around 30 kilos more then the Pirelli's then the manual isn't correct.

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Handbook weights include a full tank of fuel. That throws things further out.

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Originally Posted by ADMIRAL

Trailer, 3.5 tonne total. The ball weight is a separate issue, and as already mentioned, becomes part of the vehicle GVM.

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The handbook says that the maximum towball weight of the van is 350kg. But then goes on "If the vehicle is loaded to maximum Gross Vehicle Weight the nose weight is limited to 150kg."
From that it would seem that the towball weight does not get included in the GVM of the vehicle. Otherwise surely it would change at GVM less 150kg??

However, it does specifically state that the towball weight is to be included on the rear axle loadings in a couple of places.


My last nissan was similar (in the way it is worded) whereby as long as the towball weight did not exceed 200kg, the the GVM was not affected.

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Originally Posted by TerryO

......The manual says the V8 is 2548 kilo (from memory) so unless the Nitto's are collectively around 30 kilos more then the Pirelli's then the manual isn't correct.

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Or you had that second pie for lunch Terry. :angel:

Taken from OWNER'S HANDBOOK 2013 (Issue 1) on Topix.

Australia only: Nose weight must be a minimum of 7% of gross caravan/trailer weight, up to a maximum of 250 kg (551 lb). When using the detachable drawbar receiver, See 73, FITTING THE DETACHABLE DRAWBAR RECEIVER (Australia only), the nose weight can be increased to 350 kg (772 lb) if the GVW is reduced by 200 kg (441 lb). Note: When calculating rear axle loading, remember that the trailer nose weight, the load in the vehicle's luggage area, weight on the roof rack, and the weight of rear seat passengers must all be added together.

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Originally Posted by stray dingo

The handbook says that the maximum towball weight of the van is 350kg. But then goes on "If the vehicle is loaded to maximum Gross Vehicle Weight the nose weight is limited to 150kg."
From that it would seem that the towball weight does not get included in the GVM of the vehicle. Otherwise surely it would change at GVM less 150kg??

However, it does specifically state that the towball weight is to be included on the rear axle loadings in a couple of places.


My last nissan was similar (in the way it is worded) whereby as long as the towball weight did not exceed 200kg, the the GVM was not affected.

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You do need to read a bit further for clarification. If a van with overrun brakes is used the nose weight limit lifts to 250kg..and then it goes on.. " However, vehicle payload must be restricted by at least the same weight to ensure that the GVW and the rear axle wieghts are not exceeded "

That certainly leaves me of the opinion that towball weight ( whatever it is ) is included in the vehicle GVM, ( as it normally is ) and LR are recommending a reduction in nose weight, possibly to reduce forward pitch with a maximum loaded vehicle.

It looks like explaining the theory of relativity might be easier, then explaining weights of cars and trailers lol.

Brett....

Interesting; the wording was changed between 2012 handbook and 2013.

Just looked on Topix at both years (and 2014, 2015, RRS 2012-2015)

2012
Note: When towing, the maximum permissible Gross Vehicle Weight can be increased by a maximum of 100 kg (220 lbs) provided that the road speed is limited to 100 km/h (60 mph).

Note: When calculating rear axle loading, remember that the trailer nose weight, the load in the vehicle's luggage area, weight on the roof rack, and the weight of rear seat passengers must all be added together

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If the vehicle is loaded to maximum Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) the nose weight is limited to 150 kg (330 lbs). See202, WEIGHTS.

If it is necessary to increase the nose weight up to a maximum of 250 kg (550 lbs), the vehicle load should be reduced accordingly. This ensures that the GVW and maximum rear axle load are not exceeded


2013
Note:**If the vehicle is loaded to maximum Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) the nose weight is limited to 150 kg (330 lb), so that the maximum rear axle weight is not exceeded. To increase the nose weight to the maximum 250 kg (551 lb) the GVW should be reduced by 100 kg (220 lb).

See 197, WEIGHTS, for details of the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW), Gross train weight, axle weights and maximum payload.

Australia only: Nose weight must be a minimum of 7% of gross caravan/trailer weight, up to a maximum of 250 kg (551 lb).
When using the detachable drawbar receiver, See 73, FITTING THE DETACHABLE DRAWBAR RECEIVER (Australia only), the nose weight can be increased to 350 kg (772 lb) if the GVW is reduced by 200 kg (441 lb).

Note:When calculating rear axle loading, remember that the trailer nose weight, the load in the vehicle's luggage area, weight on the roof rack, and the weight of rear seat passengers must all be added together

Note: When towing in the European Union (EU), the maximum permissible Gross Vehicle Weight can be increased by a maximum of 100 kg (220 lb) provided that the road speed is limited to 100 km/h (60 mph)
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I couldn't find Admiral's statement until I looked at the RRS handbook and found it in there, but in reference to overrun brakes on a powered tow bar (I don't know what a powered tow bar is)


To me the wordings are saying very different things....
And why say is the RRS handbook to subtract it from the GVW but not the in the D4 handbook of the same years, but MY12 ones (mine) are identical

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Originally Posted by dazray

Taken from OWNER'S HANDBOOK 2013 (Issue 1) on Topix.

Australia only: Nose weight must be a minimum of 7% of gross caravan/trailer weight, up to a maximum of 250 kg (551 lb). When using the detachable drawbar receiver, See 73, FITTING THE DETACHABLE DRAWBAR RECEIVER (Australia only), the nose weight can be increased to 350 kg (772 lb) if the GVW is reduced by 200 kg (441 lb). Note: When calculating rear axle loading, remember that the trailer nose weight, the load in the vehicle's luggage area, weight on the roof rack, and the weight of rear seat passengers must all be added together.

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I read that as being a continuation of the previous paragraph/lines - noseweight is limited to 150kg once GVW is reached, but if you want 250kg max, then the GVW must be reduced by the equivalent amount, thus always maintaining a max of 150kg over GVW