Runva and VRS 12,000lb winches fit the OL bar, they(OL) sell these winches, I have the 9500lb VRS with Dyneema rope on our OL bar, been excellent so far, used often;)Quote:
Originally Posted by winaje
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Runva and VRS 12,000lb winches fit the OL bar, they(OL) sell these winches, I have the 9500lb VRS with Dyneema rope on our OL bar, been excellent so far, used often;)Quote:
Originally Posted by winaje
Baz.
Thanks Baz, reading an interesting thread on another Aussie forum regarding warranties and water immersion. I'll have a close look at the Runva, based on that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Redback
Thanks for the comments. I spoke with Gordon from OL Sth Syd and he has confirmed the OL bar is rated to 9500kg. I think the issue lies with how the bars are fitted to a d4 as opposed to other vehicles. The strength of the fitting points. It's the same for ARB. I was to fit a 12000 mako tds but have shied away given the rating of the bar. I would expect many have the larger winches fitted without any detriment to their vehicle, but there remains the potential for vehicle damage if the winch is used at its limits. The ECB alloy remains an option as it uses a cradle to fit the bar to the vehicle rather than the winch.
Just to follow up I was quoted to fit a mako/kingone tds 12000 to a OL bar so I assume that fits. Dimensions are 612L x 165W x 191 H. For comparison:
Runva 12000 - 579 x 160x 229
TJM - 556 x 160 x 202
VRS - 552 x 168 x 214
The following is also an interest in read in regards to which warranties.
WINCH WARRANTY'S,who to support and when to walk - 4x4 Earth
This is where this is confusing too me, there is no more force applied to a bullbar attached to a D4 weighing 3 tonne being winched by a 12,000lb winch than a 9500lb winch, they are both pulling 3 tonne, only difference is the 12,000lb winch will do it easier or am I wrong??Quote:
Originally Posted by johonda55
Someone might want to explain this theory to me:confused:
Baz.
Baz, the capability of the winch may be 9500 lbs or 12,000 lbs but the big test comes when you are stuck in something deep and sticky. 9500 lbs of force might not move you, not even double or triple that when using pulley blocks.
I had a 12,000 lb Mega Winch on my SWB '72 patrol. Its basically a V8 on a rusted out body, weighs SFA. It went down at my parents farm a couple of years back, breaking through the top surface into the liquified granitic mush below. that took a triple line pull on the 12,000 lb winch to get out......so never underestimate the extra load placed on the car when bogged in soup.
If I was in the same situation today with the D4, I think that winch would rip the entire front off the car.......airbag jacks and bog mats a little more suitable for my shiny pretty toy now...no more skull dragging through the mud for me !
Well airbag jacks aren't really suitable :)
Not a lot of solid spaces under there :D
OK understand now, never thought of that situation, I don't do mud anymore either and especially in our D4, a lot of weight to drag out if you get bogged.
Thanks,
Baz.
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Originally Posted by Redback
Perhaps a diet Baz :D
Oh, the Disco...
Agree Owens comments, I have had a similar situation in mud up on the cape with my defender. It took a 12000lb winch a couple of pulleys and lots of sweat to move as the suction force of the mud was incredible. For me the choice of a larger winch for the d4 is driven by the fact I intend to tow a trailer. If I wasn't towing offroad I would stick to the 9500 winch. I think the conventional wisdom is that the winch capacity should be 1.5 times the vehicle GVM. So for a loaded d4 at around 3000kg that's 4500kg or 9920lbs. Add a trailer of say 1t (avg loaded camper) and the GVM goes up to 4000kg. Using the rule that requires a winch rated to 13227lbs. Of course there are lots of other dynamics involved, gradient, ground surface, other aids like pulleys etc but for mine if your towing consideration should be given to the larger winch.