TDV6 crank and crank bearing failures

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Originally Posted by Scouse

This LR advice is just for the 'fix'. LR technical don't really care if it's a warranty issue or not as who pays for it is not their concern.


Any 'out of warranty' failures will need to be considered on a case by case basis.




I wonder if the Territory is having similar problems. I did hear a rumour that the old stocks of original spec 2.7s were passed onto Ford for the then new diesel Territory.

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I cannot comment on that but as the advisory says "Low incidence of crankshaft failure are being encountered, caused mainly by incorrect location of the main bearing shells during assembly, or through rotation of the shells during normal use." I would think most courts would take this as an admission of a assembly issue"

I had heard that LR fixed this problem on the 07/08MY change over so newer 2.7s are not affected. I also understand that the Territory engines are all the newer versions.

Garry

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Originally Posted by Scouse

<snip> I wonder if the Territory is having similar problems. I did hear a rumour that the old stocks of original spec 2.7s were passed onto Ford for the then new diesel Territory.

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Isn't the Territory 2.7 merely the same engine that has been used in the Mondeo? IIRC all of these TDV6 engines for both Ford products and Land Rover come out of the Ford Dagenham engine plant, although the 3.0 and turbo setups are different.

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Good luck with LR SA. I had my out of LR warranty 2005 TDV6 engine pulled apart at 95,000 k's for a different unrelated reason and the mechanics found a number of bearing caps were only finger tight when they checked them. I was lucky another couple of hundreds kilometres at most and it would have seen a rod or two plus the crank smashed, so the engine was saved from failure just in time. They never said the bearings were worn out, rather the bolts holding the caps had come loose. A number of years ago quite a number of so called TDV6 bearing/crank failures happened here that were reported on the forum, funnily enough you don't hear about it much now. I reckon mine would have been a rear case in that it was pulled apart just prior to failing, rather than just after when everything was to wrecked to properly diagnose what went wrong to cause the failure in the first place. As I said good luck.

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You were certainly lucky dodging the cost of an engine replacement.

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Here you go - it even have the LR reference number. NOTE this is FROM LR UK THE VEHICLES MANUFACTURER

Just published on the UK sites from LR.

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Reference SSM71816

Models

Discovery 4 / L319
Discovery 3 / L319
Range Rover / L405
Range Rover Sport / L494
Range Rover Sport / L320

Title Crankshaft/Crankshaft Bearing Concerns - TDv6 Diesel Engine
Category Engine
Last modified 06-May-2014 00:00:00
Symptom 499000 Basic Engine

Content
Issue:
Crankshaft/crankshaft bearing failure - TDv6 Diesel Engine.
Cause:
Low incidence of crankshaft failure are being encountered, caused mainly by incorrect location of the main bearing shells during assembly, or through rotation of the shells during normal use. A new procedure has been implemented to ensure:
- more rapid resolution of customer concerns, and
- greater visibility of failure modes in order to improve repair process and parts delivery.

Action:
For any suspected crankshaft/bearing failure, please contact your local Dealer Technical Supportor FRED team for details of the enhanced customer handling procedure.
The list below summarises typical symptoms of crankshaft/bearing failure, but please contact your DTS/FRED team if in any doubt as they will be pleased to offer assistance:
· Crankshaft is seized, engine cannot be turned either via starter motor or crankshaft pulley bolt.
· Oil sump or engine cylinder block is holed, with oil leakage and/or metallic debris found on engine under-tray.
· Engine makes a loud ?rumbling/knocking? sound when running which worsens as the engine is placed under load. The engine oil pressure warning light may flash or be continuously illuminated, especially at low engine speeds.

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So if the maker of the vehicle acknowledges the issue then I fail to see how subordinate regional areas can also deny liability.

Garry

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Anyone know if LR Australia have formally acknowledged this issue?

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Originally Posted by catch-22

Anyone know if LR Australia have formally acknowledged this issue?

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LR don't acknowledge anything:twisted:

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Originally Posted by Redback

LR don't acknowledge anything:twisted:

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Hi all,
I am currently waiting for LR to respond to a request for 'Goodwill' due to my crank failure in my SDV6 3.0 disco 4 in September 2017. My missus was driving sedately in traffic when the car's warning lights came on suddenly and the car slowed. She pulled off the road immediately and that was it. LR Wollongong couldn't turn the crank and there it sits waiting for a response from head office. I bought the vehicle only five months ago privately (with up to date service record) and I'm still coming to terms with what it will cost me if I have to foot the bill completely. I have quoted the LR service bulletin: SSM71816 that i found on the web to the serviceman at LR. What are my chances of assistance from LR? Is anyone aware of other avenues I can explore?
Cheers
Jim

What year is it?

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Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

What year is it?

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Based on the engine designation and assuming it is out of standard warranty which is 3 years, it will be MY13 or MY14.

This says to me that there is a procedure in place to handle the failures.

For any suspected crankshaft/bearing failure, please contact your local Dealer Technical Supportor FRED team for details of the enhanced customer handling procedure

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Originally Posted by jakeslouw

Hi all

Disco 3 owners in South Africa have started experiencing more and more crank breakage and crank bearing failures on the TDV6.

These seem to occur anywhere from new to out beyond 120,000kms

So I'd like to politely ask if any forumites here have had such a failure, whether you would post the following details:

- Disco 3/4 model
- manufacturing year
- mileage when failure occurred
- dealer services intervals Y/N and if no, how often on engine oil replacement
- If non standard engine oil spec, what oil and grade
- description of failure
- repaired under warranty or not
- response from LR if any
- anything else that can assist such as any oil additives, even diesel ppm

We're trying to build up a database of incidents world wide in order to try and determine a pattern or causal effect.

Thanks in advance.

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I have a MY15 Discovery TDV6 , which I purchased new at Solitaire in Adelaide, South Australia in March 2015.
In September 2016, at 25,000km, the crankshaft failed.
The vehicle had had two oil changes prior to the failure, both performed at the dealer's service centre in Adelaide. Those changes occurred at 12,000km and 23,000km.
The engine was replaced by Land Rover Australia under warrantee.
The failure occurred in the Northern Territory more than 1500km from home and LRA covered the cost of retrieving the vehicle back to Adelaide.

Cheers
Nick