Thread: No driving through the brakes on a D4?

Originally Posted by donh54

Hi Kieren, you'll only get wind-up if you lock the centre diff on hard surfaces. As stated above, D3/4 have "smart" diff locks that won't lock unless there's some slippage. Us blokes in the more analogue type D1/2s have to physically lock the centre diff, because we know what we're doing :wasn't me:

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Originally Posted by SBD4

Mick, if I were you I would definitely use low range when reversing the trailer up a steep driveway. Much better for the transmission and much easier to control.

X 2. Very good advice. This even worked on my Old Patrol manual.

Brett....

Originally Posted by Tombie

It's not an important driving technique in a modern 4wd like the Discovery 3/4/RRS.

I dont agree, i was coming down a slippery off camber track and thought id use HDC what a mistake that was, i stopped turned it on and released the brake after about 20 meters i was skidding sideways, thank god for a rutt as it was going to be a long way to the bottom. After my butt cheeks let go of the seat driving through the bakes got me down safely.

I'm with you Gosammer. I won't be ditching this technique either. I've got better control on steep tracks than my HDC is giving me.

Originally Posted by Tombie

It's not an important driving technique in a modern 4wd like the Discovery 3/4/RRS.

Many of the teachings of these associations are still dealing with older technology and older techniques which is fine in a 2004 Patrol etc.

They still do hill stall starts in Autos for goodness sake!

Left foot braking the D3/D4 sends conflicting signals from the brake switch to the ECU along with an throttle input which reduces the systems effectiveness.

Some of the old guard need to learn the new tech and teach accordingly - which many don't.

Couldn't agree more, recently did the FWD Victoria course with Amarok club and could not believe how backward their way was, especially with all the newish cars there at the time. They need more training me thinks. Would only recommend this course for complete novices.

Originally Posted by TerryO

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And how many Freelander s have you owned? I have owned, (and still own) other Landies, but the Freeo is a crackerjack little car. I even wave to other Landies when I'm in it Not too many wave back, though

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Originally Posted by PeterOZ

ahh the old RAAF 110 steep hill in reverse low range hit starter and crawl backwards.

Instructor had a big stick and if a foot went near the brake peddle he wacked you with it.

Contact instruction

When did I ever teach you to drive?

and its not contact instruction now, that got outlawed along with contact counseling.

I've had to resort to informational impacts and percussive persuasion

How many people have tried the hill start in the D4?

Pull the EPB on, place vehicle in gear, accelerate away. There is no roll back, as the EPB holds you until you are moving forward. I showed SWMBO this, with the other 5 seats full of ours, and friends kids

Yes, it was a sealed road, but fairly steep, and would require a hill start in a manual, without the added person weight on board.