i dont have any lag at all with mine.....Must be the "Chipping" :p
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i dont have any lag at all with mine.....Must be the "Chipping" :p
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Originally Posted by Muskie
Re-mapping... :)
And yes, it may be helping... Depends what they did to the throttle tables :)
Thanks everyone for the info.
I'm not generally an aggro rev-head I just like to get where I'm going with the minimum of stuffing around, unless I'm sight-seeing. On the daily commute the traffic gets heavy and switching lanes can pick up a lot of time when you get behind B-Double construction trucks, which are currently congesting the roads I drive. Using an empty left lane at the lights can also save plenty of time, but if the spare lane runs out you need to get going fast enough to use it.
I've often cursed myself for not jumping into small opportunities in the traffic so I'm still inclined towards a conservative approach, but you have to draw the line somewhere and the lag simply means that line becomes even more limiting.
Trying to compare apples with apples, I previously owned a Series 80 Turbo Diesel LandCruiser, which was like a big truck, truck clutch, truck steering, etc - but it was manual so at the lights I could drag off almost anything unless the other driver wanted to prevent me, in which case they would go flat out and I could slot in behind them - same end result! My Auto petrol Prados have been much the same.
Power is not the problem. Control is. The salesman on my last test drive was spinning the wheels at the lights but not being able to control when that will happen is the drama. If the vehicle started off smoothly, but a bit slower, I could work with it but having no progress then spinning wheels after half a second or so is very tricky.
I'll digest the suggestions above and post back when I've had the vehicle for a while. Deposit paid today, hoping to pick it up next weekend if the bullbar gets delivered in time for installation by then.
Thanks again everyone,
Bob
Might have found your problem. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ocelot
The other thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the gearbox will always start in second if left to its own devices. Manually shifting down to first will also help you get moving from a standing start.
Cheers,
Jon
The other thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the SD V6 will kill the 80 series, even if there is a lot of lag so you can't possibly have a problem!
Have you driven it or just been a passenger with the salesman driving? The ESC and traction control won't let you get uncontrolled wheel spin and it is the easiest thing in the world to control the power anyway, so what you are saying doesn't make much sense to me from my experience of over 110,000km in my D4.
As an example, my D4 towing my 1.8t camper trailer left my son in law's 4.8 petrol manual Patrol (with only a roof top tent) in its dust in an open road drag near Katherine last year. He was miffed and reckoned he was in the wrong gear so we had a rematch with the same result. This was a rolling start from about 50kph to 150kph and there was no lag at all.
HI Bob (ocelot),
I have owned a MY14 D4 for 7 months now. The 1-2 second lag from take off is still present and noticeable most of the times from a standing start or from low speed acceleration, yet I still leave every other car for dead from that point on. It's quite amusing when rice burners or V8's need to floor it more and more, and then more to get in front. Why they do it is beyond me, cause I'm not trying to drag them, it's just the way I drive. I really can't stand taking forever to get up to the speed limit. I get there, then hit cruise. Maybe they think it is shameful to be left behind at the lights by a large 4by. My boss has a 200 series Sahara and it has the same delay from standing or low speed which has caught him out when crossing traffic. It is something you get used to after time and I believe it is just modern day turbo diesels, not matter what make. As you may have read in other threads, if you wish to slip into a tight spot in the next lane where timing is critical to do so safely, simply tap the down shift paddle and it will drop back a few gears giving you instant acceleration. Once in hold the upshift paddle for two seconds and your back in auto.
I don't ever have an issue with it, use the gears & drive it like a manual if you want to get through the traffic. As mentioned previously, if you reeeaaally want to get out first at the lights, set TR to sand mode and gearbox to sports mode(make sure you're in 1st), when the light turns green, plant the foot. You'll leave quite a few surprised people behind you -- usually sport mode on its own will do the trick. Oh, and of course, choose your competition wisely... there are some you are obviously not going to beat... unless you're in a RR Sport SVR!!
Just for you Epic Pooh....
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I'm on D4 3.0L number two now and have been reading these stories for years (since 2010). I don't think it's turbo lag at all....it's the ZF Gearbox (or the software).
If you can do this and do that (at the same engine revs) and then the reaction is instantaneous, it's obviously not the engine.
There are times when I've said "crap" with the lag and other times I've said "crap" when the Truck just takes off like a rocket. As has been stated before .... learn how the car works .... you'll be surprised how little you have to adjust anything ... you just need to get to know it. A perfect, easy example ... the car is designed to give the best fuel economy ... that's it's true agenda in regards to transmission gear selection. If you are 'asleep at the wheel' and gun it, it may be at about 1200 - 1400 rpm in a gear that is not optimal for torque. The gearbox then thinks and changes. If you are in sports mode or manually shift (being awake at the wheel) the car will respond very quickly.
My wife has a 7 speed Merc, which is a fraction of the weight but close to the same torque and still suffers the same issues.
Stupidly, WE have to adjust to the adjustable/adaptive transmissions. :D
However, less responsive than .... Landcruiser, Prado, Pajero, Patrol, Jeep .... their diesel offerings ... unlikely ...
Most of the petrol's ... same result!
HAHAHA ill agree there i love burning away from the lights good fun puts a big smile on the face and as you said its surprising how many people you can catch out with it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mungus
I love those new sports sbd and the svo one is awesome. But there are two problems: my pockets aren't deep enough and they are not as practical as our 'Swiss army knife' D3/4's !