Diesel Fuel

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Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

Unfortunately there are too many stories to ignore such issues. With Japanese 4WDs, people put in a 3rd party filter, for protection. I am not sure how many Discovery diesel drivers do that, or how much it might cost, and where one would install it in a Disco.

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Perhaps a visit outside the city to a Mine site may open your eyes a little to just how rare and bull**** these 'too many stories' are..

All the Mine vehicles are CRD - none run additional filtration..

Are filled from tanks that are filled every 2 days... Or Jerry Cans...

Nozzles etc are often covered in dust and dirt...

None have had a fuel system failure...... And were talking 30+ vehicles running well past 50,000+km per vehicle in that environment.

Yes some will come unstuck... we cant prevent everything.... But it is unlikely...

Fuel Issue more likely caused by the addition of aftermarket sedimenters with the clear fuel bowl on the bottom, great idea you if can see if theres water in there.

Ever wondered why LandRover water seperators don't have a clear bowl, just a tap to drain off the water.

Guess what Algae needs to grow - Light . Guess where most of the algae problem are in diesel systems - around and past the auxillury fuel filter - weird huh ,

The other problem with fuel is not the crap that in the bottom of metal jerry cans, but from algae growing in your plastic jerry can - because its not light proof .

As for the myth of not buying diesel after / during the tanker filling them up . Come to think of it now , its weird Ive recently had no problem going straight to the bowser even with the tanker taking up half the servo, now I know why -- I love it - I won't sit in a queue .

Hi guys,

Microbes can certainly grow in fuel, without light. Normally this is not an issue for your average motorist as they can take months to grow. Problems can be seen on farms (diesel) and remote airports (jet fuel) with low turnover. The risk for the general public is long term storage of fuel in jerry cans, which under the right conditions could see microbe growth. In addition, any water in a metal jerry can can cause erosion which further introduces particulates into the fuel.

The best advice is to always fill up using the same branded fuel. That way if there is an issue you can take it up with the supplier, and if the fuel quality is shown to be poor then you have a strong case for compensation.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Perhaps a visit outside the city to a Mine site may open your eyes a little to just how rare and bull**** these 'too many stories' are..

All the Mine vehicles are CRD - none run additional filtration..

Are filled from tanks that are filled every 2 days... Or Jerry Cans...

Nozzles etc are often covered in dust and dirt...

None have had a fuel system failure...... And were talking 30+ vehicles running well past 50,000+km per vehicle in that environment.

Yes some will come unstuck... we cant prevent everything.... But it is unlikely...

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Tombie.
You need to have a chat with the Tom Blackman,he is an olde school Diesel Injection specialist that we use to do our work.
He has plenty of failed minesite injectors and is being paid big money to find a reason for the failures and a fix for the failures in WA.We are talking toyota;)
;);););)
Its a huge problem over here,perhaps a few more than 30+ vehicles you mention;)
;);)
He suspects their direct import fuel is of poor quality,yet no other mine equipment using the fuel is suffering:):):):)
Andrew

Toyota 1kd-ftv injectors have well known issues and not to do with mines or bad fuel. They have poorly designed injector seals, which can eventually lead to carbon buildup getting through the oil system and blocking the pickup. I believe Toyota now has a recall to fit aluminum injector seals in place of the original copper. Some also have cold knocking issues and I have also read of some fuel tanks (Landcruiser) rusting.

Rick is on it... It's subject to a recall.

Even my D4 was filled regularly from Jerry Cans until I got the long range tank because I couldn't make it back to Glendambo without extra top up.

Never had an issue..

Bit different if you were filling from a rarely used Pastoral tank that's only used once a month to top up the tractor!