D4 2009 TDV6 3.0 - Engine Seized

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Originally Posted by Graeme

The 3.0 oil filter cannot be fitted incorrectly.

If the vehicle is a very early one that's fitted with a DPF then the A1/A5 oil is incorrect although it wont adversely affect the engine, only the DPF.

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As mine is a 2009 build, MY2010 model, my understanding is that it does have the DPF. When I consulted the Valvoline website, it recommended the ENV C1 spec only up until 2012 models (assuming due to the DPF).


At no point has my mechanic claimed using this correct spec (and I suppose it would be pretty easy to check with Valvoline if they purchased any if I had to).

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Originally Posted by p38arover

Do the service invoices show the oil used?

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Unfortunately the invoices only state that the OEM recommended spec was used, which I am now sure was not the case (although it isn't really clear exactly what spec was used).


Good idea though, and I did dig out all my old invoices to check :-)

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Originally Posted by scarry

Vavoline FE is suitable for 2.7 TDV6 D4,and any 2.4/2.2 TDci Defender with no DPF.

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Mine is the 3.0 with the DPF (2009-2012), according to Valvoline only the ENV C1 should be used.

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Originally Posted by ThrowawayFool

I am fairly sure that this is the case, as when I originally started talking about the different ACEA specs, I got the impression that he didn't know what I was going on about.


As to whether this is what has caused the problem, not sure yet.

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Keep as friendly as you can with your spannerman,if you can prove the wrong oils caused the issue he should be insured to cover this.Easier to get it fixed amiacably than have to go thru court to get his insurance to pay.
Andrew

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Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Keep as friendly as you can with your spannerman,if you can prove the wrong oils caused the issue he should be insured to cover this.Easier to get it fixed amiacably than have to go thru court to get his insurance to pay.
Andrew

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Totally agree, and I am sharing everything I discover with him as speculation, rather than accusation.


Although I am convinced that they weren't using the recommended spec, based on what I have been able to find out (in large part from the help here - thanks guys!), it doesn't actually seem likely that this is the cause of the failure.


I have had a very long standing and amicable relationship with these guys over many years, and several vehicles, and I have no reason to think that they would deliberately mislead me.

UPDATE: Spoke to the mechanic earlier this evening, and they have now stripped off both the oil pump and the sump.


The oil pump appears to be undamaged, and no sludge or residue appears to be present.


When the sump was removed, they found a fair amount of debris (I assume mostly from the bearings), including a bolt from one of the bearing retainers. The rod from cylinder 2 (I think no. 2) has broken.


Amazingly, the timing belt is still intact. But then it is a very solid belt :-)


The mechanic also mentioned that he has sent a sample of the oil away for lab analysis - not really sure exactly what they are testing for but i'll ask him.


I am going in tomorrow morning to see for myself, and discuss next steps.


My big worry is that I still don't really have any real theories as to what caused it, and without knowing I am reluctant to invest the money to fix it and potentially for it to re-occur.


Any ideas / theories, and how I might be able to check if that is the case would be very welcome.


Thanks, John

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Originally Posted by ThrowawayFool

As mine is a 2009 build, MY2010 model, my understanding is that it does have the DPF. When I consulted the Valvoline website, it recommended the ENV C1 spec only up until 2012 models (assuming due to the DPF).


At no point has my mechanic claimed using this correct spec (and I suppose it would be pretty easy to check with Valvoline if they purchased any if I had to).

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Here's a couple of links from/to previous threads that show how to determine whether your car has DPF or not.

Vehicle Identification Number - DISCO3.CO.UK Knowledge Base

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/...dicso-4-a.html


Thought it might help with your investigations.

Good luck.

martin

Only the first few 2009 built 3.0s sold in Australia were fitted with a DPF. I had a 3.0 on order which arrived with a DPF. As I didn't want a DPF another order was placed, still 2009 build, after production changed to only fit a DPF for countries requiring them.

As the timing belt is still ok that rules it out as the cause , would suspect a bearing problem .
I remember a topic on the uk site Disco 3 re this problem which had a speel released by LR re the problem with the 3 ltr eng , would defo contact LR AU re this and see what they have to say .
Maybe a bit of search on "Disco 3" under (seized engine) might dig up some usefull insight for you before contacting LR AU . Worth a shot if you have not already done so .

I think its quite clearly spelt out in the document that Graeme postedearlier in the thread about the resulting posible damage from using the incorrect spec oil.

It seems from how it reads to me that this is clearly the case. I may have mis-read it but the valvoline oil stated seems to be the wrong oil.

I would be following this avenue first if it ws me.

Cheers Ean