Federal Couragia 10ply MTs

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Originally Posted by CAR

The Achilles are the first mud tyre I've ever tried and I agree they are awful on wet bitumen.

I've had them on for nearly a year now. Though I had hoped to do a lot more off roading in that time, unfortunately it has been predominately the commute to work and school runs with the occasional off road trip.

I realise I can't compare them to any other mud tyre, but they're significantly worse than any other a/t or road tyre I've had on the D3 over the last 4 years.

There were times where I would intentionally test the grip levels at low speed around certain corners where it was safe to do so. Needless to say, the stability control kicked in far sooner than I thought it would.

There were also plenty of times during normal driving where I thought I was taking it pretty easy in the wet, and found the stability control still kicking in around corners. I even had the abs brakes kicking in when slowing down for an approaching intersection (slightly downhill). I've been at that intersection 100's of times over the years and have never experienced abs or wheel slippage there before. I've had the abs kick in at least 3 times there in the wet with these tyres. The 2nd and especially 3rd time really shocked me because I was already approaching slower than the last time.

When I bought them, the only thing the bloke said was "You know these things are gonna drive you crazy on the road. The noise in unbearable"

The noise doesn't bother me and I drive highways every day. I only notice the noise up around 100. I can easily live with it, especially with windows up.

I'm keen to try a different set of muddies, which are known to be better in the wet than others. If they are much the same as these, I'll be going back to a/t's.

They're a great looking tyre and they are not wearing as fast as I thought they would. At $250 each fitted and balanced, they were quite affordable too.

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We are lucky in that we have a second set of rims, so we have ATs on our standard 18s(D697s) they are great tyres for on and offroad.

Our second set are only used for touring, and we prefer muddies because of some of the places we go and we are usually towing as well, it's not a good feeling to be stuck knowing that if we had mud tyres on, chances are we would not have gotten stuck in the first place.

So mud tyres are a precaution, I can live with the noise also and I know the limitations of a cheap mud tyre on wet roads, having had Nankang Mudstars(MAXXIS Buckshot copies) on our old D2, these were downright bloody dangerous on wet roads, and required a certain amount of care when driving wet roads.

I have had Kumhos before and I know they are a great tyre, both for grip in all dry conditions and wet bitumen roads, wet offroad, not so much, but probably the best AT I've had on any car, and would have chosen them for our 18"rims it they had them in the size we wanted.

Anyway soon as we get a few things sorted, we will go ahead with these new MT51s.

Baz.

Has anyone had any experiences with the Nitto M/T Trail Grappler LT265/70R17 on D3/D4?


Plenty of good reviews on other vehicles. Most of them comment on how quiet they are as well as long mileage for a M/T compared to other brands they've used:

Reviews - Nitto Trail Grappler M/T Tire Reviews by Offroaders.com


From one of the few places that had prices online they seem similarly priced to a BFG KM2:

Nitto Trail Grappler - The Wheel Deal

The Nitto's have just gone mainstream as they're now being sold by Bob Jane.

I gave them a call for a quote for the Mud Tyre Trail Grappler in LT265/70R17 and they're priced better than I expected.

I might just bite...

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Originally Posted by CAR

The Achilles are the first mud tyre I've ever tried and I agree they are awful on wet bitumen.

I've had them on for nearly a year now. Though I had hoped to do a lot more off roading in that time, unfortunately it has been predominately the commute to work and school runs with the occasional off road trip.

I realise I can't compare them to any other mud tyre, but they're significantly worse than any other a/t or road tyre I've had on the D3 over the last 4 years.

There were times where I would intentionally test the grip levels at low speed around certain corners where it was safe to do so. Needless to say, the stability control kicked in far sooner than I thought it would.

There were also plenty of times during normal driving where I thought I was taking it pretty easy in the wet, and found the stability control still kicking in around corners. I even had the abs brakes kicking in when slowing down for an approaching intersection (slightly downhill). I've been at that intersection 100's of times over the years and have never experienced abs or wheel slippage there before. I've had the abs kick in at least 3 times there in the wet with these tyres. The 2nd and especially 3rd time really shocked me because I was already approaching slower than the last time.

When I bought them, the only thing the bloke said was "You know these things are gonna drive you crazy on the road. The noise in unbearable"

The noise doesn't bother me and I drive highways every day. I only notice the noise up around 100. I can easily live with it, especially with windows up.

I'm keen to try a different set of muddies, which are known to be better in the wet than others. If they are much the same as these, I'll be going back to a/t's.

They're a great looking tyre and they are not wearing as fast as I thought they would. At $250 each fitted and balanced, they were quite affordable too.

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I am looking at getting a set of these too as a set of touring tires, we have a disco 4 only had it a few weeks but we are keen to get out on the beach we are looking to do a few trips to Stockton to get a feel for the car and learn about driving on sand before doing a bigger trip to Frazer,
tire noise dose not concern us as they will be on the car for trips only i got a set of used 18" i think off a disco 3 will this tire wheel package work we will be doing a lot of sand and dirt roads and little snow ?

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Originally Posted by Firko

I am looking at getting a set of these too as a set of touring tires, we have a disco 4 only had it a few weeks but we are keen to get out on the beach we are looking to do a few trips to Stockton to get a feel for the car and learn about driving on sand before doing a bigger trip to Frazer,
tire noise dose not concern us as they will be on the car for trips only i got a set of used 18" i think off a disco 3 will this tire wheel package work we will be doing a lot of sand and dirt roads and little snow ?

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Hi Firko! Welcome to the forum!

Not sure what model D4 you have but the OEM 18" rims will only fit on the TDV6 2.7L model, you can also fit down to a 17" rim on the 2.7L. If you have a 3.0L D4 the only 18" rims that will fit are the aftermarket Compomotive rims that can be bought from Green Oval Experience:
Green Oval Experience Land Rover training, Range Rover modifcation

If you haven't seen the Discovery 3/4 & RRS FAQ page, make sure you check it out as there's heaps of good info there:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/...4-rrs-faq.html

Just be aware that mud tyres are not the best choice for sand driving as they tend to dig holes very quickly, and before you know it you be bogged down to the chassis! Most of the guys I regularly go fishing with to Fraser just have highway tyres on their vehicles with a few opting for A/T's.

Maybe an A/T tyre might be best suited for your purposes? There are many A/T's available that will fit and most likely do what you want from them, but only 2 of them are rated as light truck A/T's in LT265/60R18 size. These are the BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A K02 and the Bridgestone Dueler A/T D697.

If you end up staying with 19" rims there are no LT tyres available, but the Cooper Zeon LTZ, Goodyear Duratrac and Hankook RTF10 seem to be popular.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/...5-55-19-a.html

Hope this helps. Cheers!

Gday Drizzle,

thanks for the heads up i do in fact have a 3L spewing about the 18" D3 rims I have in the garage that i cant use lol the more i read the more it looks like i should just stay with what i have.

regards Firko

No worries. We're camped on Fraser now up at Sandy Cape. Highway tyres seem fine here on the sand. The vehicle on the left has only ever had highway tyres, as with all his previous vehicles over the years. Never had any tyre issues with the inland tracks to Orchid Beach or crossing the Ngkala Rocks bypass track.

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Originally Posted by Drizzle

Hi Firko! Welcome to the forum!

Just be aware that mud tyres are not the best choice for sand driving as they tend to dig holes very quickly, and before you know it you be bogged down to the chassis! Most of the guys I regularly go fishing with to Fraser just have highway tyres on their vehicles with a few opting for A/T's.

Maybe an A/T tyre might be best suited for your purposes? There are many A/T's available that will fit and most likely do what you want from them, but only 2 of them are rated as light truck A/T's in LT265/60R18 size. These are the BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A K02 and the Bridgestone Dueler A/T D697.

If you end up staying with 19" rims there are no LT tyres available, but the Cooper Zeon LTZ, Goodyear Duratrac and Hankook RTF10 seem to be popular.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/...5-55-19-a.html

Hope this helps. Cheers!

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Yeah completely dependent on the driving you're doing. I'd personally still go for an AT over a highway tyre for a bit of extra protection from staking - even if they're not an LT, the extra tread depth helps and the side walls are /usually/ tougher.