End of D4?

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I suspect that LR will see the Deefer off road ability and D5 get further apart from the current situation. My bet is that if you want the best new offroader you will need to go the new defender by quite a margin.

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I suspect you're right. I think the D5 will be a good thing and won't be short of off-road capability, in the same way the RRS is. For those of us who want to go bush regularly though I'd expect the new Defender would become the vehicle of choice, but who knows.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Ps. The d3 was the end of the world wasnt it? ;)

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Only for the Luddites! ;) (that included me when I still had a D2 :()

Cheers,
Jon

Haha!

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I suspect that LR will see the Deefer off road ability and D5 get further apart from the current situation. My bet is that if you want the best new offroader you will need to go the new defender by quite a margin.

Ps. The d3 was the end of the world wasnt it? ;)

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?..and the D3 spawned the current D4 which is an amazing vehicle

I think the d3 is very capable. I wheel with a mate who has one. We found the limit of ramp over with the air suspension fully up in emergency lift versus the D2 but the traction control is definitely better than d2. Cheers

Ps. Lets just wait to see what the d5 brings but I suspect defender will have the same traction system but with better clearance and approach and departure angles. Just MTCW. Cheers

It's not the approach and departures angles that are the weak spot with the D3/4 in fact they are pretty good, it's the ramp over angle, basically the wheel base is to long given the max diameter of tyre that can be fitted.

If a 110 Defender was limited to 32" tyres I would put money on the D3/4 if also fitted with the same 32" tyres and either a rods/Llams kit fitted in most situations.
A D2 when heavily modded and big tyres can go most places, but again limit it to 32" tyres and while the ramp over angle is better than a D3/4 if pushed it will end up dragging its arse seriously on the ground. A well modded D1 will go places a similar modded D2 would struggle, no issues with approach, ramp over or departure angles with the first Disco.

Horses for courses really.

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Originally Posted by TerryO

It's not the approach and departures angles that are the weak spot with the D3/4 in fact they are pretty good, it's the ramp over angle, basically the wheel base is to long for the max diameter of tyre that can be fitted.

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Agree completely Terry. Mine is mildly modified at 30.5 inch tyres and 2 inch lift and cleared the obstacle with 3 inches or more to spare where the D3 with stock 30 inch tyres got hung up. I love getting 2 generations of LR out on the trails. Its great (and not clean) fun.

Cheers

The specs for the D5 are pretty well locked down, whereas the replacement Defender is still being tested. In stock trim the D5 will be a more capable off-roader than the D4.

Of course, the after market businesses will take a while to catch up.

Cheers

Gordon

The Defender details are being kept quiet - part of that might be the fact as Gordon says that they are still nailing down the details! It will be interesting to see how they can improve on d4 offroad. There is only so much traction control can do when travel is expended and the d4 system is awesome. Make it go higher in emergency situations perhaps? Wheel base would be the same?. Would 20 inch wheels be standard on base model or 19's? Cheers

Anyone willing to throw out predictions as to driveaway prices for the D5 and what equipment might now come standard on the base model? The Discovery hovers around the LCT area, so I'm wondering if LR will at least try and keep the base model below this price.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

The Defender details are being kept quiet - part of that might be the fact as Gordon says that they are still nailing down the details! It will be interesting to see how they can improve on d4 offroad. There is only so much traction control can do when travel is expended and the d4 system is awesome. Make it go higher in emergency situations perhaps? Wheel base would be the same?. Would 20 inch wheels be standard on base model or 19's? Cheers

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Let's hope 18 or17" will fit.

Lighter vehicle may have smaller brakes.