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    I'm on Andrew's side for a change

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    I'm not, I ask a simple question, and get an irrelevant response
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR LR View Post
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    Ohhh how I have soooo held my tongue and just watched as the thread gets bigger and bigger..... I do believe it will continue to grow until it engulfs the known universe.

    I've only read the odd random comment and know I really should not put in my 2 cents worth, because thats all it will be and will mostly fall on deaf or stubborn ears. You all own Land Rover products, cant you all just kiss and make up?

    As a repairer I could easily hammer out the faults of a D3, D4, Defender TDCi in a big scroll that no doubt would be vigorously defended by all owners.

    Every Land Rover I have ever owned, I've ended up in some deep **** place which was mostly always due to my own stupidity. Every time the "Land Rover" has pulled me through even if just by the skin of my arse...

    You are all better of walking, its healthy, environmentally friendly and very economical and all the bleeding hearts, tree huggers, alternative lifestyle people will love you for it.

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    Don't you have a workshop someplace to go to DazzaTD5....









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    Quote Originally Posted by 1nando View Post
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    Just read this....this sounds like what ive been saying in this whole thread. These are facts with some subjective opinions and keep in mind the OPs comparison which is better off road
    I used to drive a 2000 Defender td5 xtreme, and did multiple Simpson desert crossings in it as well as a lot of high country trips. I now drive a d4 3.0.

    I agree with this article, especially the bottom. I called my defender "the pig", because it was a pig in the bush, but also a pig in the city and on the highway. In the bush, it was tough, capable, flexible and loved it. But in the city and getting to the bush on any highway it was loud, uncomfortable and no where as nice as the d4. In the bush, I used to search and search for things to challenge the defender, nearly all tracks were easy. It became quite boring. The most fun was pulling out my mates who would always get stuck. The d4 is not as capable in the super rough stuff imo, but remarkably close. Totally different driving style and mechanisms to 4wd, but equally as enjoyable from behind the wheel. And living with the d4 for the other 99.9% of the time is a total joy compared to my much loved pig.

    But I really miss the wave and I stare at every defender I see and fondly recall the places and fun I had in mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    I'm not, I ask a simple question, and get an irrelevant response

    Andy, you know they are just having a laugh. You also know why people love driving and have fond memories of driving Deefers that they have previously owned.


    Way back when I was a pup in the ADF I drove (not as a profession but because it was a requirement) Acco/Internationals and Unimog 4WD trucks. Then Hinos later. I also drove a squillion Deefers, some old Series and a fair few Toyos. Don't remember much about the Toyos but have vivid memories (not all good) of driving the others and where they took me.


    However, I also have some pretty vivid memories of driving (including the couple of D4s that I've owned) and flying more refined machines (actually I've flown in and flown some pretty old bangers too :-)).

    So each to their own and certain machines will make and leave their mark. They don't necessarily have to have 'less refined characteristics' for that to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    I don't understand the argument that solid axles are better than independent, look at the Pinzgauer for example. Mind apparently they have a tendency to fall on their side.

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    Neither do I Andy, there are a number of very capable 4x4's that have independent suspension and run rings around live axle 4x4's.

    The picture below shows one of them that has all round independent suspension and comes with 35's standard and makes every Land Rover ever made look like soft roaders, Defenders included.

    There is a video somewhere on Aulro from several years ago of some Aulro members in their various Landy's including a Pinzgauer playing in, if I remember rightly, a old abandoned quarry up around Newcastle some where and there was a Humvee there, it just toyed with them all. You are right about the Pinzgauer it nearly fell over trying to go up a reasonably steep rock face, looked the least stable vehicle there.

    Add on the aftermarket six inch lift air suspension that you can buy for them and the giant tyres that can fit them and they are virtually unstoppable.
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