Thread: Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

Originally Posted by AndyG

Not having driven one, a D4, i will have to accept the common wisdom the D4 is a hugely technically capable vehicle, especially if you dont have any friends or cargo for more than a week away from civilization.

I can imagine HRH, James Bond or myself in a Defender or Range Rover, but a half breed mongrel compromise I don't think so.

Let's pick up this conversation in 2050 and see if the Discovery lasts thetest of time and is still being made.

Happy Australia Day!!

Righto, and at risk of taking the bait:

Point 1 above: does that extra 400kg payload really allow you to stay away indefinitely with 4 buddies? Most 4wd trips I've only seen 1 driver, and maybe 1 passenger (but that's only my experience). I've also travelled 3 weeks self sufficient (fuel excluded) in my small shopping trolley.

Point 2: Well that settles the argument! HRH only travels in a Defender when there is no risk of hitting another car, tree, anything (soft muddy fields only) otherwise it's a Rangie (with ABS, DSC, an airbag or two, and a few other semi modern safety features). The ability to hose the inside out is apparently a Royal prerequisite too - all that horse poo etc!
You do know James Bond is a fictional character?
Batman likes driving a Disco.

Point 3. Welcome this. The Defender in current form is no longer, and rumored to be reincarnated on the D4 chassis. (Won't that raise eyebrows).
The Disco had changed over its 25 years; the Series, County, Defender has (a bit), but not enough to survive. Only time will tell I suppose.

At the end of it all, I'll repeat : both great cars for the right reasons/situations.

Happy Off-roading!

Originally Posted by Marty110

with my 50mm lift on the Puma I had to go to a Cornay joint to get rid of the vibration, the double cardan didn't quite do it and chewed out the centre joint regularly

Geez, what angle is that t/case end ?

Originally Posted by 1nando

Hi Scarry,

You mention a 40mm lift. Did you have to use a double cardan front prop shaft? Did the lift remain at 40mm or has it settled at a little lower than that?

Apologies to the OP,

Geez we are getting slightly off topic here

Haven't actually measured it to be sure,i am guessing it is probably somewhere around 35 mm now.
Forty mm is the highest you can go with no issues and using the original drive shafts.
The vehicle has done around 60k since the raise with no issues.One thing i have noticed is the grease nipples in the front drive shaft are extremely difficult to get to.

Originally Posted by Marty110

with my 50mm lift on the Puma I had to go to a Cornay joint to get rid of the vibration, the double cardan didn't quite do it and chewed out the centre joint regularly

strange here is mine and Dave's former Defender

3" lift on mine and 5" on Dave's and on 35" double cardan's do the job 0 driveshaft vibrations....

Originally Posted by Steve223

strange here is mine and Dave's former Defender

3" lift on mine and 5" on Dave's and on 35" double cardan's do the job 0 driveshaft vibrations....

yes, and apologies again to the OP for off topic. I was told there was variation between individual Pumas, maybe mine had the trans case tilted slightly further back. But with mine only going to the Cornay sorted the vibration issues.

Originally Posted by scarry

Apologies to the OP,

Geez we are getting slightly off topic here

Haven't actually measured it to be sure,i am guessing it is probably somewhere around 35 mm now.
Forty mm is the highest you can go with no issues and using the original drive shafts.
The vehicle has done around 60k since the raise with no issues.One thing i have noticed is the grease nipples in the front drive shaft are extremely difficult to get to.

Re grease nipples,damn right they are,absolute PITA. Pat

Originally Posted by Marty110

yes, and apologies again to the OP for off topic. I was told there was variation between individual Pumas, maybe mine had the trans case tilted slightly further back. But with mine only going to the Cornay sorted the vibration issues.

Cool truck Marty. Pat

Originally Posted by Steve223

strange here is mine and Dave's former Defender

3" lift on mine and 5" on Dave's and on 35" double cardan's do the job 0 driveshaft vibrations....

Righty,spot the five differences between the vehicles in the picture . Pat