Towing Weights

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Originally Posted by Tombie

In the grand scheme there's about 4 (excluding F trucks and the like)..

LC, Disco, Defender and some Patrols.

Not a single DC ute can be at 3,500kg and be useable.

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And dont the DC ute adds flog the 3500Kg towing capacity , wonder how many believe they can load up a DC to the max and pull a 3500kg van .

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Originally Posted by Fatso

And dont the DC ute adds flog the 3500Kg towing capacity , wonder how many believe they can load up a DC to the max and pull a 3500kg van .

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Plenty do...but unfortunately are not educated.

When we load up my Toyota DC with family of five to go camping for a week....we exceed GVM....with taking into account tow ball weight...

we than hook up the camper trailer and head off

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Originally Posted by weeds

Plenty do...but unfortunately are not educated.

When we load up my Toyota DC with family of five to go camping for a week....we exceed GVM....with taking into account tow ball weight...

we than hook up the camper trailer and head off

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But you are probably still under GCM when towing a camper trailer !! .

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Originally Posted by BobD

So, the car weighs 2940kg with 340kg draw bar load included and 3000kg with no drawer bar load, assuming the front axle was weighed with the caravan attached (which you didn't specify). If the front axle was weighed with the van unhitched it will be reduced by a hundred kg or more with the van hitched, which makes the discrepancy even greater than the 400kg above. Do you see the problem? At best the car should weigh 3340kg with a 340kg draw bar load added to the unhitched weight of 3000kg.

I think the 3000kg includes the trailer tow bar weight and is not the weight of the car alone. Otherwise your car is way over weight if the 340kg draw bar load is added to the unhitched car weight.

My point was not that the 3000kg is too light but that the sum of the axles is way too light if the 3000kg does not include the draw bar weight.

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Originally Posted by Fatso

But you are probably still under GCM when towing a camper trailer !! .

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Yes......

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Originally Posted by veebs

Following with interest...

Has anybody figured out what the 'empty' weights on the D4 axles are? I would assume the car is front heavy when empty, so guessing at 55:45 split of the 2583kg kerb weight means:

Front has 1421, Rear has 1162

If we assume 200kg of payload is distributed front to rear (eg passengers) we come up to 1521/1262 (note, we're now exceeding the front axle limit)

Putting the balance of the 657 payload into the back, we get 1521/1719. There is an argument to be made that weight added behind the rear wheel would present a weight saving on the front axle (by way of a lever of course), but I've ignored that for now.

If I go back and set the kerb weight to be split 50:50, we get 1391.5 / 1848.5 when 200kg distributed and 457kg in the boot (or on the towball). All within limits, but the 50:50 ratio strikes me as somewhat unlikely?

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id really like to find someones measured rear axle weight on a stock d4 5 seater with full tank

re some earlier comments regarding the often touted 350kg ball weight capacity, and 3.5 towing, this can be missleading, and there's no way a landrover is carrying 350 or even 300 ball weight without going over the rear axle limit.

something to keep in mind also is that if you have 3.5T Trailer/caravan, youll find the actual weight limit of the van axles is less, for my van its 3305kg , so at max capacity you could only have a ball weight of 195kg to be able to stay under the max total limit of 3.5T,

this is a ball weight percentage close to 5% which is well under LR limits of 7% , so to get that (which im ok with but many will try and argue you need 10% which is almost impossible for a 3.5t van) you would want to drop your max van axle weight by 50-100kg and add about 50kg to the ball