Discover 4 Suspension

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Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster

If I was raising and lowering regularly I’d probably have invested in the LLAMS. As I only play when travelling to stop the wretched “slow down or ill lower and **** you off”, the inconvenience of loading up the IiD app etc is ok. Horses for courses

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I just leave my IID Tool plugged in all the time using a flat ribbon extension cable so there isn't any chance of kicking it with my foot. It's then a simple tap on the phone to load the app and a few clicks to get into height control and do what I want. Usually I load the app and navigate to where I want in the app before I leave so it's then just 2 clicks to lower to bump stops. The longest time taken is connecting the app to your car as it verifies all the files but even that's not a long time even from scratch. GAP recommend not leaving the tool connected to avoid battery drain if you don't disconnect the app as it will keep polling to try and find your phone if you're not in range. I simply stop the app and then disconnect the app and have had absolutely zero issue with it. It's actually quicker if you use the regular height function but I don't find this way a problem. Yes, I agree that the LLAMS would be quicker but this is out weighed by the added functionality of the IID Tool.

But as you say, it's horses for courses. [smilebigeye]

Martin

It’s not an either/or decision between Llams and iiD.

I have both and use the iiD regularly to check live values and occasionally for service tasks and fault reading/clearing. I much prefer the convenience of Llams for extra suspension height control. However, I’m not disagreeing with Martin or Jeff, just clarifying what the options are.

When I was researching/buying the iiD was nowhere near as easy to use with suspension control and that’s another reason to get one, their commitment to improvement is excellent. But I would still get both iiD and Llams if doing it all again now.

Cheers,
Scott

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Originally Posted by LRD414

It’s not an either/or decision between Llams and iiD.

I have both and use the iiD regularly to check live values and occasionally for service tasks and fault reading/clearing. I much prefer the convenience of Llams for extra suspension height control. However, I’m not disagreeing with Martin or Jeff, just clarifying what the options are.

When I was researching/buying the iiD was nowhere near as easy to use with suspension control and that’s another reason to get one, their commitment to improvement is excellent. But I would still get both iiD and Llams if doing it all again now.

Cheers,
Scott

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Ideally, I'd rather have both for sure, but for me, I couldn't really justify the expense of both to the treasurer so opted for the IID for reasons the already stated. Lucky man, Scott, to have both. [smilebigeye]

Martin

Thanks Again all. The extra height will only be for short use only if needed but it seems like the car already has that facility built in from what ATH said. Will have a much closer look at the options you noted over Xmas and make a decision. The other reason I'm looking at this is I've just installed the ARB bulbar and winch and think the car is sitting lower due to the weight. Will also be adding stuff on the back so this will also effect height. Then to compensate when I'm offroad in rocky rutted terrain I'd use superlift.
The 4WD specialists I used were Twin Landy in Retreat.

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Originally Posted by Miffy

Thanks Again all. The extra height will only be for short use only if needed but it seems like the car already has that facility built in from what ATH said. Will have a much closer look at the options you noted over Xmas and make a decision. The other reason I'm looking at this is I've just installed the ARB bulbar and winch and think the car is sitting lower due to the weight. Will also be adding stuff on the back so this will also effect height. Then to compensate when I'm offroad in rocky rutted terrain I'd use superlift.
The 4WD specialists I used were Twin Landy in Retreat.

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Hi mate. The suspension will level itself to additional weight so you should not see it affect the stance. If you are it could be your eyes, or you might find the suspension needs a calibration. Over time it will get a little skew and either the dealer, or you, if you had an IID tool could recalibrate it and make it nice and level again. Mine had a pronounced left lean and slant when I bought it, which I rectified with my IID tool. The thing had been serviced at a main dealer all its life and they’d seemingly never done it, even with them doing regular wheel alignments. [emoji849]

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Originally Posted by Miffy

Thanks Again all. The extra height will only be for short use only if needed but it seems like the car already has that facility built in from what ATH said. Will have a much closer look at the options you noted over Xmas and make a decision. The other reason I'm looking at this is I've just installed the ARB bulbar and winch and think the car is sitting lower due to the weight. Will also be adding stuff on the back so this will also effect height. Then to compensate when I'm offroad in rocky rutted terrain I'd use superlift.
The 4WD specialists I used were Twin Landy in Retreat.

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The car keeps a constant height, no matter what weight is added. That is the beauty of self leveling air suspension. You also have the off road height button to raise it 50mm at speeds up to about 50kph. Above that and the car will lower to normal height. Llams means that you can use the off road height at any speed and also gives you easy access to extra height if you use Llams +50 with the built in off road height provided by the D4.

Read the FAQ's at the start of the D4 area and you will find out all of the stuff your car can do as standard and some of the after market add ons that can make it even better.

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Originally Posted by Miffy

... The extra height will only be for short use only if needed but it seems like the car already has that facility built in from what ATH said.

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The "extra height" ATH was taking about is not available to you on demand. Only if the vehicle has detected it has bellied out (ie already bogged) will it offer a further increase in height (super extended height) over and above 'off road height'.

You can trick it into going into super extended height (when not bogged) but it's not particularly convenient to do so.

If you only need occasional sustained extra height it may also be worth considering rods instead. Sold by a member on this forum. Here's a link. They are called "Height Sensor Rods" and are shown under EAS products down the page in the first link. Could be a cheaper, viable alternative if you're only looking for height adjustments. A lot of people here have them.

Green Oval Experience info, tyres, off road training

http://www.greenovalexperience .com/eas



Martin

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Originally Posted by letherm

Ideally, I'd rather have both for sure, but for me, I couldn't really justify the expense of both to the treasurer so opted for the IID for reasons the already stated.

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I maintain that one should always get a diagnostic tool first unless the vehicle is rushed off to the dealers for any hiccup.