Touring setup weight concerns ?

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Originally Posted by scarry

So is that ONLY a D3/4 spec?

I presume it is in the handbook?

Edit,my handbook says 1855kg for rear axle all vehicles except coiler,which is 1840.

Front axle 1450KG all vehicles.

can't find anything about the 150KG ball weight allowance

Oh,axle weights are non additive,whatever that means,anyone?

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One has to be careful about we understand. It bothered me where I read that so here it is on the Caravaners Forum:
Ball weight adds to payload - Unless you have a Land Rover Discovery - Caravaners Forum

On the second page of the threads, someone has a photo of page 79 of his owners manual with some confusing statements about the 150 kg ball weight. This is not what is on page 79 of my D4's manual.
http://caravanersforum.com/download/...1306&mode=view

My apologies admin if I have broken any rules referring/linking to another forum.

Fun working this out hey [emoji6]

Hmm,still bloody confusing,those links seem to confuse everyone[biggrin]

Just to add some more confusion, page 70 of my owners manual,it also says, if speed is limited to 100km/hr,GVW can be increased by 100KG,when towing.[biggrin]??

So when i have the box trailer on around town,all is good if i add 100KG to GVW.FFS...

Max gross permissible weight of vehicle is GVW 3240KG,as per hand book.

gross train weight max permissible weight of vehicle and braked trailer is 3240kg plus 3500kg gives 6740kg,as per owners manual.

So i can't see where the 150KG goes,or where it says in the manual it is additional to the GVW,unless they are saying it but in a confusing way.

The manual does say 'If the vehicle is loaded to max GVW,the nose weight is limited to 150Kg'.
So some are saying the nose weight of 150Kg is not included in GVW,it is additional?

Don't they love to complicate things.

Interesting discussion. It prompted to take my car over the weighbridge today. Full of fuel (175 litres) with a single rear wheel carrier, but empty otherwise (except me) the car weighs 2920kg, with 1320kg on the front axle and 1600 on the back.
Put in the fridge (45kg inc beer) a spare battery (35kg) and a wife (65kg) and the camper trailer (200kg on the towball, minus 150kg allowable) and I reckon we're left with about 100kg of payload spare.
Now, about removing those third row seats and the one in the middle of the second row...

Hi Greg. What weighbridge did you use and did they issue certificates etc.? I'm thinking of doing the same thing especially as the cops are apparently diversifying from chasing minor speeders as their main occupation.
Cheers.
AlanH.

PS. Off topic but I believe you went for Maxxis 980s for your tyres...... how are you going with them and how much did you pay and where. :)

:soapbox:Since cars were invented, we have loaded them within reason until the doors just shut & then gone on our merry way. [bigwhistle]Now we appear to think that the wheels will explode outwards like a cartoon as soon we exceed GVM or whatever the letters are[bigsad].

What has changed? Political correctness? :bat:Subtle social pressure to obey all rules? :bat:So we suffer from Over-Load-Aphobia?[bawl] I'm sure that all our vehicles are so over engineered that loading them 20% over the stated maximum weights won't kill them if driven sensibly like we always did, didn't we? After all, these loads are for short periods of time in the life cycle of the vehicle. You will feel if the load is too heavy & potentially unsafe & will hopefully rectify by drinking all the beer sooner[bigrolf]

Load up within reason (doors must shut), leave 'hurry' at home, don't try to do 1000 km a day & enjoy the big sky without worrying about the wheels falling off, just like we used to.

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Originally Posted by ATH

Hi Greg. What weighbridge did you use and did they issue certificates etc.? I'm thinking of doing the same thing especially as the cops are apparently diversifying from chasing minor speeders as their main occupation.
Cheers.
AlanH.

PS. Off topic but I believe you went for Maxxis 980s for your tyres...... how are you going with them and how much did you pay and where. :)

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Alan I just used the weighbridge at the local rubbish tip here in Dunsborough. The guys there assure me it's calibrated regularly, so I guess you have to take that at face value.
On your off-topic question, yes I have Maxxis 980s, they're excellent. I got them from Bryn at Richards Tyrepower in Osborne Park, from memory about $1800 ffor 6 of them, fitted and balanced. So far about 30,000km with probably another 25,000 or so left in them. Although only last weekend I bought a set of spare rims and standard on road tyres (not much point in wearing out the Maxxis on the blacktop) and having the devil of a time getting the steering right with the new rims and tyres on. Having the wheel alignment done tomorrow, hopefully that'll fix the issue.

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Originally Posted by Milton477

:soapbox:Since cars were invented, we have loaded them within reason until the doors just shut & then gone on our merry way. [bigwhistle]Now we appear to think that the wheels will explode outwards like a cartoon as soon we exceed GVM or whatever the letters are[bigsad].

What has changed? Political correctness? :bat:Subtle social pressure to obey all rules? :bat:So we suffer from Over-Load-Aphobia?[bawl] I'm sure that all our vehicles are so over engineered that loading them 20% over the stated maximum weights won't kill them if driven sensibly like we always did, didn't we? After all, these loads are for short periods of time in the life cycle of the vehicle. You will feel if the load is too heavy & potentially unsafe & will hopefully rectify by drinking all the beer sooner[bigrolf]

Load up within reason (doors must shut), leave 'hurry' at home, don't try to do 1000 km a day & enjoy the big sky without worrying about the wheels falling off, just like we used to.

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Pretty much agree with all of that Milton. The only modifying factors are a) age, and b) the increasing propensity of insurance companies to find any bloody reason they can not to pay up. You're right, 90%of the cars and caravans heading north right now are probably overloaded and/or badly loaded to the gills. I'm just trying not to be one of them:-) Plus, like a gas that expands to fill any given volume, why do we need so much crap anyway?

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Originally Posted by GregMilner

why do we need so much cr*p anyway?

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Have you heard of a thing called.... a wife? :whistling:

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Originally Posted by Milton477

:soapbox:Since cars were invented, we have loaded them within reason until the doors just shut & then gone on our merry way. [bigwhistle]Now we appear to think that the wheels will explode outwards like a cartoon as soon we exceed GVM or whatever the letters are[bigsad].

What has changed? Political correctness? :bat:Subtle social pressure to obey all rules? :bat:So we suffer from Over-Load-Aphobia?[bawl] I'm sure that all our vehicles are so over engineered that loading them 20% over the stated maximum weights won't kill them if driven sensibly like we always did, didn't we? After all, these loads are for short periods of time in the life cycle of the vehicle. You will feel if the load is too heavy & potentially unsafe & will hopefully rectify by drinking all the beer sooner[bigrolf]

Load up within reason (doors must shut), leave 'hurry' at home, don't try to do 1000 km a day & enjoy the big sky without worrying about the wheels falling off, just like we used to.

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I agree on part.. but I have vivid memories of stretched Fords and Holden’s that the rear doors struggled to close!

So what’s changed?

- volume and frequency; from an insurance POV the volume of travellers is far greater, the values higher, and the ability to assess and measure has improved.

- policing of engineering rules; there are now much more portable devices to weigh and assess (those Mermaids are getting tech savvy)

- Bickie Dippers; frequently becoming an increasing statistic. By volume the numbers are starting to climb with regards to Caravan incidents. This draws attention!

And finally - bloody gadgets and other crap! It’s getting away from the complexities of life - not carting those with you [emoji6]

We crossed the Simpson in an essentially stock vehicle. Did it as a cannonball run... 3 blokes, an Engel full of grog, minimal food, minimal tools and 3 days done and dusted.[emoji56]