2016 D4 Landmark - worthy of long term ownership

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Originally Posted by D4Landmark

Hi guys

I am new here and this is my first post. I hope this is in the right section as I am not a ‘forum’ type.

I own a 4/2016 build date 3.0 L SDV6 Disco 4 Landmark. I’ve had it for 2 1/2 years and so far it’s been a positive experience for my wife and my two kids. This is our first LR after driving a Lexus RX350 followed by the Amarok for few years.

We are an outdoorsy family. We tow a 2.5T Jayco van around few times a year, love the beach and generally love the bush and the great outdoors. We only do about 18,000 to 20,000 kms/year. It tows a can like it’s not there. That torque is amazing.

In fact the car is currently at 34,000 kms.
To date it has been serviced by Land Rover as I secured a servicing deal to be included in the sale for 4 years.

Car being a Landmark (I am told has some extras) is wonderful. We love the driving position, visibility, fuel economy, space (love it), practicality. My wife and kids love the heated seats, but my favourite thing is the drinks cooler in the middle so my beers stay cool for when we arrive at the destination [emoji23]. In any case I digress. It’s a very nice place to be in.

Coming to my dilemma. I am starting to think about long term ownership of this vehicle. We really enjoy the car and it has been a dream. I have read people’s horror stories with LR and Disco’s in general. Some people won’t touch them with a stick. Some people say when they reach higher kms they fall apart.

Do I sell up in the near future or do I keep her?

- Are there less known problems with late model D4s?
- if I keep the car what are some preventative measures I should take aside from LR servicing? I can post a photo of what they have been doing.
- I hate the look of the discovery 5. I just don’t care for it and it doesn’t look likes LR to me and it looks like everything else now! Sorry if I offend anyone but it’s just how I feel

I want to start doing more of Vic high country and my car comes with 20” wheels which are lovely in the city but tires are limited and I don’t think it would cut it off-road. I am considering TuffAnt wheels and some AT KO2 tires in the future but TuffAnt has no stock for months ahead.

I want to invest in the Rhino Platform and maybe the ARB bull bar.

I guess overall I am just struggling with the decision and looking to some feedback from late D4 owners and how problematic these cars really are before I start sinking money into mods?

I don’t want to sink another 10K into the car to find out that was a mistake as they are all doomed to fail.

I think what is worrying me the most is all the Facebook reports, keyboard warriors, etc. many posts are from the US and apply to the petrol mules.

Finding good reliable info is a challenge which is why I have turned to local subject matter experts for guidance. I figure who better than locL boys and girls to get good reliable info.

Thanks for your help
Kris

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I bought a 2005 D3 V8 last year for the long term :), I also have a 2003 D2 TD5 since new and keeping it as my wife needs a car that’s P plate approved. So a 2016 Landmark which you’ve had since new and know the history of should keep well. As with others here, don’t skimp on service and replace things as needed.

Good luck.

Randy

Have a look at this thread in the Sticky Zone: Key items for servicing

Hi Kris, like you, I too have a 2016 SDV6 (August '16 compliance) and couldn't be happier. It's my third LR (previously, a 2010 RRS bought new and a 2012 Vogue Luxury TDV8 bought at 11,000km, both of which we took on extensive off-road trips through the Kimberly) and of the 40 or more cars I've owned over the years, none has given me more pleasure and usefulness than these.

But a Land Rover of any model is a hobby, not just a car. They're complex machines, as I've discovered, but with proper maintenance, will give years of trouble-free motoring. My D4 is at 43,000km and so far, not a hint of trouble. (I'm yet to decide on an extended warranty, which I had on both previous LRs)

I loved the TDV8 Vogue (what an engine!) but we like to do a long-distance tour towing a 2 ton camper trailer once or twice a year, and the D4 is a far more practical vehicle for that - load space, after-market accessories etc - and while not as sumptuous as the Vogue, and doesn't have the sheer stump pulling grunt of the V8, the D4 ain't exactly poverty-pack either.

I'm anal about maintenance, and have mine serviced every 10,000km or 6 months, whichever comes first. Yeah, it's about $500 a time, but to me that's just insurance. I use a local independent who specializes in Land Rovers, here in Dunsborough. Fortunately, living in the country, most of my car's kilometres are long trips, which are much better for a diesel than city school runs.

Take a note of advice from the gurus on this forum (I'm not one of them) and you won't go wrong.

A Gap IID tool is well-worthwhile, as is having the transmission serviced at 80,000km. (I pretty much ignore LR's service recommendations as being far too long.)

I'm with you regarding the LC200. I recently came back from a 3,000km fishing trip with two mates who both own late-model LC200 Saharas. We towed a boat to Onslow with one of them. Getting back into my D4 was a revelation - so much smoother, quieter and more supple suspension than the agricultural Tojo. And so much better load space.

Cheers, Greg

Just another bit of assurance. Ours is a 04/2010 build TDV6HSE and now has 230,000km on clock. We had the plastic manifolds replaced at about 80,000km, and had the Auto pan replaced and transmission serviced at 160,000km. We've replaced the rear tailgate actuator and suspension air compressor. Had the timing belts done last service and have replaced the front bushes twice.

It gets serviced every 12000, coz thats what the service schedule was in 2010.

Don't do offroad but tow a boat regularly with the round trip to the holiday house being 700km.

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Originally Posted by D4Landmark

Thanks Graeme!
I am a DIY type in a sense that I don’t mind getting my hand dirty. I don’t like paying somebody else to do something I can do well myself. Having said that I am completely new to LR DIY and will need to invest in some tools. This is okay as you can never have too many tools.

To date I’ve been doing about 15K kms per year and oil has been changed by the dealer in that time so I think I I am okay. Here is the last receipt of what they worked on.

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I think the front bushes will probably start to become more of a wear and tear item once I start doing more off-road. The past 30,000 kms have been relatively easy on the car and spent on bitumen. But going forward she will see more challenging terrain which is why I am trying to get as much info upfront.

My only Mod to this car to date has been the fog lamps [emoji23]. They had that bright yellow look to them and didn’t work for me with the Xenon lights. So swapped them for the LED units. On a difficulty scale of 1 to 10 I would say it was a -5 [emoji23]. My car is also a Santorini Black so it looks more stealth when not in use.

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I replaced mine at 80k km with RRS ..much more robust with bigger brushes. Fits exactly the same. Expect them to last much longer. Improved ride was amazing.

In Melbourne Greg Ellis at AMV Ringwood services mostly Land Rovers

I’ll second Greg at AMV, he’s a wealth of knowledge and a great guy to boot. Always checks with you before starting something you may not have already discussed, which I think is good, he doesn’t seem to want to put you out of pocket unnecessarily at all.

Our 2016.5 HSE is looked after well by Greg, and is not long off going in for the trans pan replacement. We tow a large van, and so the car has to looked after we’ll in my opinion, and Greg’s good with ongoing info etc to help.

I find people seem to get annoyed when things like brakes and bushes etc start to go,, but I think they forget these are “consumables” that wear, and in doing so, obviously means your using the car as designed by the manufacturer.

These cars as you are well aware, are gorgeous cars to drive, and you will learn, are awesomely capable out in the bush.
In order to extend the life of any piece of machinery,,, maintenance is crucial. We have ours serviced at 12k, but did go through to they’re 24k once, but only because we hadn’t been off-road at all in that time frame.

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Originally Posted by D4Landmark

Hi guys

Coming to my dilemma. I am starting to think about long term ownership of this vehicle. We really enjoy the car and it has been a dream. I have read peopleÂ’s horror stories with LR and DiscoÂ’s in general. Some people wonÂ’t touch them with a stick. Some people say when they reach higher kms they fall apart.

Do I sell up in the near future or do I keep her?


- Are there less known problems with late model D4s?
- if I keep the car what are some preventative measures I should take aside from LR servicing? I can post a photo of what they have been doing.
- I hate the look of the discovery 5. I just donÂ’t care for it and it doesnÂ’t look likes LR to me and it looks like everything else now! Sorry if I offend anyone but itÂ’s just how I feel

Kris

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Kris, I have a D4 MY2013 SDV6 HSE and I endorse your comments about enjoying the car. Mine was bought nearly 2 years ago 2nd hand at 120,000 km and I took the risk of the relatively high mileage due to the much lower price. We wanted it to tow a 2.5 tonne off-road caravan and it has now done over 150,000 km with quite a bit of towing on corrugated roads on the big lap. The vehicle has never let us down and has always been magnificent; effortlessly pulling the van through water crossings (not too deep) and up the steepest roads. It is fitted with Maxxis 255/55R19 LT tyres and they too have performed well on all manner of roads/tracks without any trouble.

The only extras I have added to the car is a Traxide dual battery system, a monitor for the caravan rear camera and a tyre pressure monitoring system to include the caravan - the LR system only does 5 tyres, I have 6 tyres.

No bull bar - don't travel at dawn or dusk.
Standard lights are bright enough at normal speeds.

The only issues so far are:
Dodgy door locks (2),
Worn out front bushes
Out of date GPS maps
Broken wire on brake wear sensor
Extortionate LR servicing pricing.

Enjoy your D4

Thank you folks for taking the time to write back. You have certainly helped me make a decision to keep my Landy. Seems like with some TLC and regular preemptive maintenance they are not any worst off than any other manufacturer.

Yes LR service is like extortion, but I have that included for another 2 years and seems like there are some reasonable priced mechanics around that are good folks.

Like any car you have to take the good with the bad and that’s okay. I wish you all many trouble free miles and hope we all get to enjoy our LR for many more years to come

(Or at least until the new Defender comes out [emoji6])

Thanks a buncH
Kris

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Originally Posted by Chops

Our 2016.5 HSE is looked after well by Greg, and is not long off going in for the trans pan replacement.

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According to your signature your D4 is a 2016 model, which means it has the 8 speed.
I have been told the replacement transmission pan is only available for the 6 speeds?

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Originally Posted by Disco4Dave

According to your signature your D4 is a 2016 model, which means it has the 8 speed.
I have been told the replacement transmission pan is only available for the 6 speeds?

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I was under the same impression, but have been informed that there "is" the same mod for the 8 speed. I'll let you know when it happens though. Maybe there is a mix-up somewhere along the line. I guess I could always make one myself if that info is wrong, but by then I'll have installed my trans protector anyway. Being stuck out in the middle of no-where is something I don't want to have to face. Regardless of the pan situation, the oil will be changed accordingly way.