Jaguar Land Rover recall TDV6 engined vehicles

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Originally Posted by BradC

Plenty of new engine designs over the years have had crank related failures in the field until a modification was made. In this case I suspect LR just doesn't give a crap, so they never bothered to make a modification.
They all break in the same spot, so it's possibly a weakness in the crank, or as mentioned previously a harmonic issue causing the crank to flex excessively at that spot (whip).

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Just to be clear, LR have never made the engine. It's made by Ford. And designed by Ford and Peugeot, evidently.

If you buy an LR now with a 3 litre diesel, its now made by Land Rover, and its a straight six. I am not sure though if it's bulletproof.

I don't know how different the Lion 3 litre motor is in the Fords now being sold here in Australia. They all have similar performance to the SD version of the motor.

I'd be interested to know what is different now, and also, whether parts between the engines might be available, or even if short motors might be available.

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Originally Posted by ATH

I must admit to be being quite worried about the possibility of this happening and spoke to a bloke I know at the main dealers today about replacement engines etc. None available as we know and bits have to come from sources other than LR.
My car has had the oil changed every 10K and sometimes less since new in 2016 and very little has gone wrong (except that damn EPB) but I'm seriously thinking of moving on into the darkside...... actually I've ordered a Prado but anything can happen between ordering and 12 - 14 months to delivery.
New Defender too expensive at 130K and restricted space in the back for what we want.
We'll see what happens.
AlanH.

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I bought a 90 series Prado in 1997, its still going strong. The 3.4 litre petrol cast iron V6. I'm giving it to my son who takes it camping.

I bought a Prado 150 series in 2013 - the top model. A Kakadu. It was horrible. I sold it and bought the Disco, which is still going well.

I'd certainly consider a Prado with the diesel V6 though and the new gearbox ... but the 4 is horrible IMO. The Toyotas are committee cars ... the Disco feels like a designer has lived in the car, and worked it all out. The ergonomics are great, across the board in the Disco. It's fun to drive, and remarkable across many roles.

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Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

I bought a 90 series Prado in 1997, its still going strong. The 3.4 litre petrol cast iron V6. I'm giving it to my son who takes it camping.

I bought a Prado 150 series in 2013 - the top model. A Kakadu. It was horrible. I sold it and bought the Disco, which is still going well.

I'd certainly consider a Prado with the diesel V6 though and the new gearbox ... but the 4 is horrible IMO. The Toyotas are committee cars ... the Disco feels like a designer has lived in the car, and worked it all out. The ergonomics are great, across the board in the Disco. It's fun to drive, and remarkable across many roles.

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Well said!
My eldest son has a new (18 mnth old) Hilux 4WD and that auto trans is terrible. Can't decide which gear it wants to be in and the convertor seems to be always slipping. That trans is also in the Prado and Isuzu. We are indeed spoilt with the 6 & 8 speed ZF.

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Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

I bought a 90 series Prado in 1997, its still going strong. The 3.4 litre petrol cast iron V6. I'm giving it to my son who takes it camping.

I bought a Prado 150 series in 2013 - the top model. A Kakadu. It was horrible. I sold it and bought the Disco, which is still going well.

I'd certainly consider a Prado with the diesel V6 though and the new gearbox ... but the 4 is horrible IMO. The Toyotas are committee cars ... the Disco feels like a designer has lived in the car, and worked it all out. The ergonomics are great, across the board in the Disco. It's fun to drive, and remarkable across many roles.

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Over the years, I've had seven Prado's - all work cars - including a diesel 90 series, 4 petrol and one diesel 120 series and a diesel 150 series. At the same time, my own personal vehicles included a Ford F100 Ranger with a Chev 6.2 litre V8 diesel in it, a Disco 1 V8, a Disco 2 td5 and the Disco 4 2.7 litre diesel that I still have today.

Of the Prado's - the only one with any serious offroad capability was the 90 series - they went downhill after that to the point that the 120 and 150 series could not get near a Discovery (any model) off road. I did like the 120 series with the 4 litre V6 Petrol engine (mine were all manuals with either 5 or 6 speeds) as long as I had a company fuel card. On a long run from Kambalda / Kalgoorlie down to Perth which I did regularly, they were a very comfortable car and very quick for a large 4WD. They were thirsty though - used about the same fuel as my Discovery 1 V8 (and were not as quick as the Disco). The 4 cylinder diesel 120 series was gutless compared to the petrol V6 in the same model and was easily outdone by the td5 Discovery 2 I had at the same time - but it had better performance than the 150 that replaced it when I changed jobs. The 150 series Prado I had was a poverty pack 4 cylinder diesel with only about a 75 litre fuel tank - it was gutless and by far the worst of the Prado's I had.

In my last job, I had a mid-spec Land Cruiser 200 series V8 diesel for a while. I prefer the D4 to one of these any day of the week. Over priced and over rated in my opinion. Now retired, I don't have company vehicles any more - just the Disco 4 (which was actually bought as a work vehicle when I was working for a mining contractor in Perth - I had the option of a "company" Prado which remained the property of the company and I would have lost when I finished working for them, or I supply my own vehicle and the company paid me a vehicle "allowance" plus there are considerable tax benefits available this way). Basically, the car was paid for in 2 years and was mine to keep when the company got out of the mining business and we were all made redundant.

If I was to consider buying another vehicle now, I'm not quite sure what it would be. Definitely not another Land Rover. I don't like the new Discovery at all and while I do like the new Defender, I could never justify the cost. My current thinking is to look for one of the last of the current model V6 diesel VW Amarok utes. My son has the 4 cylinder version and has never had a problem with it - I'd like the extra bit of power offered by the V6 for pulling a caravan - but I'm not really interested in the about to be released Ranger / Amarok - the VW Diesel engine has a better name at least as of now. A ute would come in handy now that I am not working. If I was to consider a wagon, I'd likely be looking at the V8 petrol Nissan Patrol. A friend owns a caravan sales business and he has bought two Patrols now for towing vans to expo's / camping shows etc. He has previously used land Cruisers and even a Range Rover, and says that the Patrol runs rings around just about everything else on the road for towing - except for the big American trucks. I have driven one and quite liked it - more comfortable than the land Cruiser 200 in my opinion and with plenty more grunt (sounds nicer too) and MUCH cheaper than a Toyota or Land Rover. OK - it's a petrol - the price of diesel these days actually makes the Nissan look an even better option.

When we were navigating the 'options' with engine replacement when our SDV6 went 'pop', the only alternative I was willing to digest (aside from the path we took of replacing the SDV6 engine with another lower mileage unit out of a write off) was to chase a Y62 Patrol. More expensive than what we chose definitely, but if the current engine goes pffftt like the previous, we may still end up going that way.

The Disco 4 will always be my most comfortable and smile inducing 4wd after previous Prado's, Landcruiser 80, Patrol GU and a Disco 1 (tdi slow as buggery but the most capable offroad of all of them). However the fuel prices these days take most of the fuel economy of diesels versus petrols out of the discussion.

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Originally Posted by BMKal

Over the years, I've had seven Prado's - all work cars - including a diesel 90 series, 4 petrol and one diesel 120 series and a diesel 150 series. At the same time, my own personal vehicles included a Ford F100 Ranger with a Chev 6.2 litre V8 diesel in it, a Disco 1 V8, a Disco 2 td5 and the Disco 4 2.7 litre diesel that I still have today.

Of the Prado's - the only one with any serious offroad capability was the 90 series - they went downhill after that to the point that the 120 and 150 series could not get near a Discovery (any model) off road. I did like the 120 series with the 4 litre V6 Petrol engine (mine were all manuals with either 5 or 6 speeds) as long as I had a company fuel card. On a long run from Kambalda / Kalgoorlie down to Perth which I did regularly, they were a very comfortable car and very quick for a large 4WD. They were thirsty though - used about the same fuel as my Discovery 1 V8 (and were not as quick as the Disco). The 4 cylinder diesel 120 series was gutless compared to the petrol V6 in the same model and was easily outdone by the td5 Discovery 2 I had at the same time - but it had better performance than the 150 that replaced it when I changed jobs. The 150 series Prado I had was a poverty pack 4 cylinder diesel with only about a 75 litre fuel tank - it was gutless and by far the worst of the Prado's I had.

In my last job, I had a mid-spec Land Cruiser 200 series V8 diesel for a while. I prefer the D4 to one of these any day of the week. Over priced and over rated in my opinion. Now retired, I don't have company vehicles any more - just the Disco 4 (which was actually bought as a work vehicle when I was working for a mining contractor in Perth - I had the option of a "company" Prado which remained the property of the company and I would have lost when I finished working for them, or I supply my own vehicle and the company paid me a vehicle "allowance" plus there are considerable tax benefits available this way). Basically, the car was paid for in 2 years and was mine to keep when the company got out of the mining business and we were all made redundant.

If I was to consider buying another vehicle now, I'm not quite sure what it would be. Definitely not another Land Rover. I don't like the new Discovery at all and while I do like the new Defender, I could never justify the cost. My current thinking is to look for one of the last of the current model V6 diesel VW Amarok utes. My son has the 4 cylinder version and has never had a problem with it - I'd like the extra bit of power offered by the V6 for pulling a caravan - but I'm not really interested in the about to be released Ranger / Amarok - the VW Diesel engine has a better name at least as of now. A ute would come in handy now that I am not working. If I was to consider a wagon, I'd likely be looking at the V8 petrol Nissan Patrol. A friend owns a caravan sales business and he has bought two Patrols now for towing vans to expo's / camping shows etc. He has previously used land Cruisers and even a Range Rover, and says that the Patrol runs rings around just about everything else on the road for towing - except for the big American trucks. I have driven one and quite liked it - more comfortable than the land Cruiser 200 in my opinion and with plenty more grunt (sounds nicer too) and MUCH cheaper than a Toyota or Land Rover. OK - it's a petrol - the price of diesel these days actually makes the Nissan look an even better option.

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Agree, had a close look at the latest Patrol, but at close to 95k AUD with nothing really special to offer re options, and the second most boring interior (200-300 series LC tops the list) I could not imagine living with that car for the long term. The Patrol did sit a very close second on my short list for a long time. The L663 won in the end, provably more of a heart-over-head decision, but hey, you only live once.

I think I'll keep the Land Rover Disco, and if its crank fails, I hope that a replacement is not going to cost an absolute fortune. So are I've done 110,000 with no issues. I realised that maintenance costs will go up and up. But they'll be cheaper than a new vehicle. And while diesel is costly, at least its available. But the fuel consumption of the Nissan is huge when towing. My best in the Disco towing my 2.5 tonne Matrix, was 10 litres per 100km. But that was from Fry's Flat, which is high up, and I emptied the water tanks on my Disco, plus a strong northerly wind was behind me, and also, my tyres were more road tyres than off road. Now with higher profile wider tyres that are 80% off road, I typically get around an actual 15 litres per 100 KM towing a full van. I can get less but I have to think about it. I'd be in the 20s towing with the Nissan. And the price difference in fuel is minor, because the Nissan requires a minimum 95 RON, and one has to avoid the alcohol enhance RON fuels too, they are not good for engines IMO. But yes - buying a used Nisan V8 Patrol, would probably provide a very good vehicle at a great price. And that matters too - but new?

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Originally Posted by BMKal

Over the years, I've had seven Prado's - all work cars - including a diesel 90 series, 4 petrol and one diesel 120 series and a diesel 150 series. At the same time, my own personal vehicles included a Ford F100 Ranger with a Chev 6.2 litre V8 diesel in it, a Disco 1 V8, a Disco 2 td5 and the Disco 4 2.7 litre diesel that I still have today.

Of the Prado's - the only one with any serious offroad capability was the 90 series - they went downhill after that to the point that the 120 and 150 series could not get near a Discovery (any model) off road. I did like the 120 series with the 4 litre V6 Petrol engine (mine were all manuals with either 5 or 6 speeds) as long as I had a company fuel card. On a long run from Kambalda / Kalgoorlie down to Perth which I did regularly, they were a very comfortable car and very quick for a large 4WD. They were thirsty though - used about the same fuel as my Discovery 1 V8 (and were not as quick as the Disco). The 4 cylinder diesel 120 series was gutless compared to the petrol V6 in the same model and was easily outdone by the td5 Discovery 2 I had at the same time - but it had better performance than the 150 that replaced it when I changed jobs. The 150 series Prado I had was a poverty pack 4 cylinder diesel with only about a 75 litre fuel tank - it was gutless and by far the worst of the Prado's I had.

In my last job, I had a mid-spec Land Cruiser 200 series V8 diesel for a while. I prefer the D4 to one of these any day of the week. Over priced and over rated in my opinion. Now retired, I don't have company vehicles any more - just the Disco 4 (which was actually bought as a work vehicle when I was working for a mining contractor in Perth - I had the option of a "company" Prado which remained the property of the company and I would have lost when I finished working for them, or I supply my own vehicle and the company paid me a vehicle "allowance" plus there are considerable tax benefits available this way). Basically, the car was paid for in 2 years and was mine to keep when the company got out of the mining business and we were all made redundant.

If I was to consider buying another vehicle now, I'm not quite sure what it would be. Definitely not another Land Rover. I don't like the new Discovery at all and while I do like the new Defender, I could never justify the cost. My current thinking is to look for one of the last of the current model V6 diesel VW Amarok utes. My son has the 4 cylinder version and has never had a problem with it - I'd like the extra bit of power offered by the V6 for pulling a caravan - but I'm not really interested in the about to be released Ranger / Amarok - the VW Diesel engine has a better name at least as of now. A ute would come in handy now that I am not working. If I was to consider a wagon, I'd likely be looking at the V8 petrol Nissan Patrol. A friend owns a caravan sales business and he has bought two Patrols now for towing vans to expo's / camping shows etc. He has previously used land Cruisers and even a Range Rover, and says that the Patrol runs rings around just about everything else on the road for towing - except for the big American trucks. I have driven one and quite liked it - more comfortable than the land Cruiser 200 in my opinion and with plenty more grunt (sounds nicer too) and MUCH cheaper than a Toyota or Land Rover. OK - it's a petrol - the price of diesel these days actually makes the Nissan look an even better option.

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Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

But yes - buying a used Nisan V8 Patrol, would probably provide a very good vehicle at a great price. And that matters too - but new?

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DIL got a demo last month, less than 4,000 k, sports exhaust and wood panel delete, agreed buyback ( dunno how much ) and fixed price servicing, for $110k. Is that good? Way out of my league, but it's a whole lot of car. We'll never find out what it's like off road, son has a GU for that, but it tows as if there's nothing behind it, and day to day fuel costs are acceptable, unless he drives it! However, it's HUGE, and I'm not sure about the packaging. Not much beats a D4 for packaging.

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Originally Posted by Tins

DIL got a demo last month, less than 4,000 k, sports exhaust and wood panel delete, agreed buyback ( dunno how much ) and fixed price servicing, for $110k. Is that good? Way out of my league, but it's a whole lot of car. We'll never find out what it's like off road, son has a GU for that, but it tows as if there's nothing behind it, and day to day fuel costs are acceptable, unless he drives it! However, it's HUGE, and I'm not sure about the packaging. Not much beats a D4 for packaging.

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Base price for a new Defender 110 or a new Discovery is less than that 110k. Its the options, lct and dealer cost that add up. I looked at the Nissan V8, nice engine, but thirsty, interior and exterior oh so bland.I spent my hard earned on a new 110 which is packaged much better, a lot more car for you dollar imho, even with 2 less cylinders.

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Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

Just to be clear, LR have never made the engine. It's made by Ford. And designed by Ford and Peugeot, evidently.

If you buy an LR now with a 3 litre diesel, its now made by Land Rover, and its a straight six. I am not sure though if it's bulletproof.

I don't know how different the Lion 3 litre motor is in the Fords now being sold here in Australia. They all have similar performance to the SD version of the motor.

I'd be interested to know what is different now, and also, whether parts between the engines might be available, or even if short motors might be available.

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Originally Posted by Eric SDV6SE

Base price for a new Defender 110 or a new Discovery is less than that 110k. Its the options, lct and dealer cost that add up. I looked at the Nissan V8, nice engine, but thirsty, interior and exterior oh so bland.I spent my hard earned on a new 110 which is packaged much better, a lot more car for you dollar imho, even with 2 less cylinders.

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And if a person adds up the fuel savings, and then takes away the extra maintenance costs, the Defender would come out pretty well I reckon. My issue though is I tow, and I reckon a chassis means no loads on the cabin, and hence, no rattles or loose doors over 15 years of running. For example my Prado 1997, has no rattles.

Also the Defender is a vehicle that seems to be enjoyable to drive in the city. While we can drive big vehicles in the city, they do resemble trucks. The Defender (I haven't driven one though) appears to be comparatively, a "fun" SUV to drive.

I've thought of my wife's next vehicle being a Lexus NX hybrid. She has an RX 350 circa 2009, she's had it since 2011. Its been a good car, but the mapping has failed, and she scratched both sides. The re-spay means I feel like getting rid of it. But she wants something high, accelerative, and easy to park. But I reckon a Defender would fit the bill although it would cost a fair bit more. But if my Disco fails, we'd have a spare tow vehicle!