Alternative to GOE Rods

Probably a bit expensive especially when delivery is taken into account, Prospeed Rods...Discovery 3 and 4 lift rods : ProSpeed

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Originally Posted by Redback

It takes 5mins to uninstall LLAMS and 5mins to re-install if you need too.

I've had LLAMS in our D4 for 7 years, far and away superior to rods and IID Tool(which isn't that much cheaper than the LLAMS are.

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But LLAMS is a one trick pony. If you’re adjusting your suspension outside what the factory buttons offer more than once a month, then I agree the convenience of LLAMS would be well worth it. In my case, as I wanted the IID to effect all my servicing needs, and I only use the height function once every few months, it was a no from me. I tolerate the few app clicks.

As they say, right took for the job [emoji106] Both good tools

I have IIDtool and LLams. I could use the IIDTool to change heights, but LLams is so convenient. I use it very frequently when off-road, changing settings depending on road surfaces, angles, etc.

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Originally Posted by mitchE39

If someone out there has a direct rip off, then I’d be happy to get them.

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Google is your friend

LR3 Lift Kit, LR4 Lift Kit, Johnson Rods

As mentioned - Discovery 3 and 4 lift rods : ProSpeed

British Off Road - The Land Rover spare parts specialists - Johnson Rods

Lift Rods for Land Rover LR3 (Discovery 3) | Proud Rhino

BA7558 - LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 3/4 - RR SPORT - AIR SUSPENSION LIFT ROD KIT | eBay

Just a few on a quick search.

Garry

Just beware that if you fit a roof rack and 32" tyres, you're going to want to be able to lower it to enter car parks. The extra 2 inches llams gives me below access height allows me to squeeze into any multi story car park. Without it i'd have done some damage by now.

Llams has a lot more functionality. I'd say save a bit longer and fork out the money, plus they have great resale, you can get back 50% of your money when you come to selling the car.

+1 for LLAMS
- just reach down to console (without looking) flick switch for quick raise on the fly when the track conditions change and better still, quick change down when you see the overhanging "MAX height 2.1m" bar as you swing into the car-parking station. That's a 2 trick Pony and a quick trick as well. Worth every cent.
I even use it to "lift" my tow pin higher into my caravan hitch these days (rather than hop out and wind down the jockey wheel.) That's 3 tricks.
Not once have I had to reach under a muddy filthy or sandy mudguard to re-position rods.
Matti

$600 is a bit high

Send me a PM for a forum price. However if only for occasional use and if you can make use of a good diagnostic tool and have the money to spend then there's a good argument to get the diagnostic tool, at least first, otherwise just keep speed under 50 kph for now.

I had this same dilemma in that I needed to get better than access height regularly for my wife. I was leaning towards the LLAMS but eventually opted for the blue tooth version of the GAPIID tool. Reason was that the GAPIID tool of course had all of its inherent functionality with diagnostics etc. I would have loved to have both but economics said one or the other. I regularly drop the car down to its bump stops which is an option on the height control screen. All it takes is a few keystrokes. Drive off and normal height is returned without doing anything - same as normally using access height. The other control screen can be set to three user defined settings such as lower access, higher off road setting etc. What happens is that it overrides the regular car settings and adds for example 50mm to all the cars settings when that user defined setting is selected. If I'm not mistaken you can then use the normal LR buttons to select access, normal or off road height and they would, in this case, be 50mm higher than standard. This is how the 50kph off road limit is overcome for example. The LLAMS would definitely be simpler and is obviously a great piece of gear but if money is an issue the small inconvenience of a few keystrokes on a phone app is worth the GAPIID tool.

Martin

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Originally Posted by matti4556

+1 for LLAMS
- just reach down to console (without looking) flick switch for quick raise on the fly when the track conditions change and better still, quick change down when you see the overhanging "MAX height 2.1m" bar as you swing into the car-parking station. That's a 2 trick Pony and a quick trick as well. Worth every cent.
I even use it to "lift" my tow pin higher into my caravan hitch these days (rather than hop out and wind down the jockey wheel.) That's 3 tricks.
Not once have I had to reach under a muddy filthy or sandy mudguard to re-position rods.
Matti

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Actually 4 tricks: When I stop I use LLAMs to level the van. Then wind down the legs and then lower LLAMS to drive away from tow pin! (maybe thats 5 tricks. I just love other caravaners who watch me hitch up and just cannot believe how easy hook up is with the D4.