Good on you Alan, but each to their ownQuote:
Originally Posted by ATH
Cheers
David
Good on you Alan, but each to their ownQuote:
Originally Posted by ATH
Cheers
David
Dave I appreciate your input, but you must have missed the GVM definition..Quote:
Originally Posted by Blknight.aus
Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM)The maximum weight indicated by the manufacturer that all the wheels in the tow vehicle can support. It includes the weights of the car, the passengers, and other things loaded in the car. When the vehicle is attached to a trailer, it includes the tow ball mass.
Sorry, but there is no allowance of any tow ball mass in Land Rover or any manufacturers GVM figures... its all wishful thinking.... If you load your D4 with people and accessories up to GVM, you will not legally be able to tow anything... even a trailer with a 10kg tow ball mass will take you over from a legal perspective..
Cheers
David
Thanks Dan, but I am even more certain now that my calculations are correct.. no manufacturer includes any tow ball weight in their stated GVM. If you add a trailer with ball weight of 350kgs then you have eaten into that GVM by 350kgs, thereby reducing the available payload for passengers and equipment... I think the reason Land rover reduce the GVM for large ball weights is to protect the rear axle and suspension...Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco-tastic
Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM)The maximum weight indicated by the manufacturer that all the wheels in the tow vehicle can support. It includes the weights of the car, the passengers, and other things loaded in the car. When the vehicle is attached to a trailer, it includes the tow ball mass.Cheers
David
Really specifically I didn't in no short part because my drivers license says HC and not C (auto) or C (int)Quote:
Originally Posted by tapda01
Also really certain I can read a manual and follow the guidelines as well as the maths, the ADR's the Roadrules the NHVL regulations and any other number of things that might be really useful for a Truck driving crane operating Plant/Truck mechanic Ex ADF driving instructor to know.
Just to put it in perspective...
You want to use a vehicle thats 3 generations ahead of and 20 years newer than the vehicle I would use to tow bigger things legally and even newer than the vehicle that I would (and have) use willingly to do the same thing. you have more HP, more Torque, better everything comfort wise and more electronics on board than the space shuttle.
you screwed up GCM and GVM in the opening post and even after most of the people here trying to help you out and point you in the right direction Dont want to accept the vehicle is the definition of a near perfect tow motor because you want to argue semantics based around the simplicity of youve screwed your maths from the get go in the same way as the "I can prove I have 11 fingers" trick works, just backwards.
you do you.
you know If I was a betting man... I'd almost bet that part of your total weight includes a generator.
Weigh bridge weights is the only way to go.....good startQuote:
Originally Posted by tapda01
I lot of good info in this thread, take some time and read....
Was your D4 in touring mode when you went over the bridge??
Might be helpful to start posting your weight each time you go over the weigh bridge......
The whole included tow ball weight in GVM has come up before...the way I read it is they assume your towing with 150tow ball weight.
I normally focus on the following weights in this order
Drive onto weight bridge with caravan in tow with everything you normally take including food.
Grab front axle weight as you driving on
Stop when just the car is on the bridge and note car weight with trailer connected, this will give you car weight including tow ball
Drop jockey wheel and take weight off tow ball, now you just have car weight, take this away from the weight above and you have towball weight
Drop hitch back onto ball and roll forward, note total weight of combination.
Drive forward and weight trailer only....to confirm above numbers.
The only real way is taking time on a weigh bridge.
Post all these up, pretty sure there is a weigh in thread, most wouldn’t lost as they are over. Easy for me as we have a weigh bridge at work.
On previous trips
Defender, I only ever exceeded front axle weight
Hi-lux, regularly exceeded rear axle and GVM
Yeah before everybody jumps on the band wagon at least I knew my weights, 90% of those on the road prefer not to know.
Off to sit in on COR Training, doubt we will be talking caravans....but you never know.
I'm NOT an expert at this, and my Defender is way under the limits when towing our camper, and I don't own a D4, so tell me if this is wrong, but the way I read the D4 information was:
It includes a 75kg driver and fuel
It includes 150kg towball weight
That can be increased to 350kg, but the amount above 150 has to be taken off the vehicle
Is that correct?
I also think in one of the links above it said the D4 was better for towing than everything except a Troopy.
Reading my D4 (2010) manual you can increase GVW by 100kg when towing if speed does not exceed 100km/h.
"Note: When towing, the maximum permissible
Gross Vehicle Weight can be increased by a
maximum of 100 kg (220 lbs) provided that the
road speed is limited to 100 km/h (60 mph)."
We bought a small 2T New Age single axle van, and having done the weights of the D3 and the van, we would have to be carrying a pile of Bessa bricks in one or either to exceed the weights.
I just find it interesting that 40 years ago, you could hook up a twin axle Millard van on the back of of the Kingswood and drive around Australia.
I know all this safety stuff is important but I sometimes wonder how we managed to survive in the 60's and 70's to get to where we are now.
Sorry for the thread drift.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tapda01
I just find it interesting that 40 years ago, you could hook up a twin axle Millard van on the back of of the Kingswood and drive around Australia.
I know all this safety stuff is important but I sometimes wonder how we managed to survive in the 60's and 70's to get to where we are now.
Sorry for the thread drift.[/QUOTE]
Ha Ha , back in the 60s 70s you could load a Kingswood until its arse was nearly dragging on the ground and the old caravans were not all that heavy , that and the fact people did not drive like they were all late for brain surgery made for a much more pleasurable and safe trip .