LLAMS Operating Manual

Coz its better to burn out than fade away :)

I needed program space for more calcs for the D5/L405/L464 and fade-out too readily reduced height to the extent that I had been advising against using it. Providing the alternate OR2 height for the high setting on these vehicles wasn't possible without removing it.

Hi guys, I wasn't sure where to post this so thought it best fitted here in this thread rather than starting a whole new one. Apologies if there is one somewhere I didn't see, as I thought I had a pretty good look.

Anyway, I have been reading about the LLAMS system and have been thinking about installing one on my vehicle (RRS, so same kit as the D3/D4 from what I can see on their website).

My question relates to the impact, if any, on the longevity of the EAS by using this system. I like the idea of both being able to extend the ride height above elevated (to something I guess approach super elevated) in advance of the vehicle being hung up and activating the super elevated mode. Prevention versus cure and all that... I also like the idea of being able to drop the ride height a tad for the highway cruising at higher speeds on smooth roads. Not right down to access height, but a bit lower than normal ride height. The Goldilocks setting in each scenario I guess.

What I am wondering is if there is any evidence of premature wearing/failure of/damage to the air suspension components by effectively "forcing" the vehicle to operate outside of the factory settings. I'm guessing they are set where they are for a reason, or is the LLAMS system as diabolically brilliant without any downside as it seems.

Any real world knowledge (or even plain old opinions) on the matter sought please.

Thanks guys!

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Originally Posted by Bewtiched

My question relates to the impact, if any, on the longevity of the EAS by using this system.

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My direct experience is only up to 100k so far and only a fraction of that with llams in use at a non-factory height.
I don't believe there's any downside to its use for any real world scenario such as those you've mentioned.

Another scenario where it's brilliant is on tracks that are pretty rough or with a high crown but not so rough that you can't drive along at say 60-70kph.
Set the height to llams medium with factory normal and you have the extra clearance safety factor.

Regards,
Scott

I constantly run mine on a lower setting for hours at a time on the freeway to help when its windy,, also good when you want a little less body roll [bigwhistle][wink11] but I guess I won't know the "end result" as such at this point.

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Originally Posted by LRD414

My direct experience is only up to 100k so far and only a fraction of that with llams in use at a non-factory height.
I don't believe there's any downside to its use for any real world scenario such as those you've mentioned.

Another scenario where it's brilliant is on tracks that are pretty rough or with a high crown but not so rough that you can't drive along at say 60-70kph.
Set the height to llams medium with factory normal and you have the extra clearance safety factor.

Regards,
Scott

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Thanks Scott, good to know that 100,000 km plus "real world" driving has had no impact. Sounds like a pretty good endorsement. As you rightly say, likely use in most instances should have little detrimental effect, which I had hoped might be the case. I was more thinking of the effect of running above the factory-set speed in super extended mode, or something like that, so that's good feedback.

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Originally Posted by Chops

I constantly run mine on a lower setting for hours at a time on the freeway to help when its windy,, also good when you want a little less body roll [bigwhistle][wink11] but I guess I won't know the "end result" as such at this point.

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Thanks, yes this was a thought as well. In my case, I expect that might be quite sparing in use too, as the RRS is pretty well pinned in most conditions at the factory normal height. Was curious if was noticeable running a little lower for the reasons you point out.


Thanks guys, responses appreciated. Likely a LLAMS kit going in when I return from working away!

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Originally Posted by Bewtiched

..... the effect of running above the factory-set speed in super extended mode, or something like that, .....

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That's not a situation that would be needed for a long time and also generally at slow or very slow speed.
The closer you get to max height the more risk of CV damage, especially with greater steering angles and excess right foot.

Scott

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Originally Posted by LRD414

That's not a situation that would be needed for a long time and also generally at slow or very slow speed.
The closer you get to max height the more risk of CV damage, especially with greater steering angles and excess right foot.

Scott

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Agreed, I foresee few, if any, situations when the very highest settings would be used at other than a crawl, for very short times. It was more the idea of running the extended mode (higher than normal setting) at speeds above the factory limited speed.

Impacts of suspension angles on CV joints noted. I had one of the first 100 Series with the IFS and had an ARB lift of 2 inches to that suspension. CVs would wear out every 45,000 to 50,000 km like clockwork. Part of the attraction of the EAS in the Rangie is that it doesn't need to sit either higher or lower than normal for too much time, so has the best of both worlds (in that respect at least).